>> reporter: christopher nolan's film introduced millions of viewers to the story of j.penheimer, the scientist he recruited for the project. >> they want naive scientists who just didn't think about what they were bringing into the world. they felt they had no choice. >> reporter: the film shows the team of scientists living and working for years in the new mexico desert. at the los alamos national laboratory, around 200 miles from the trinity test site -- which is here in the middle of what's now the 2.2 million-acre white sands missile range. >> the one thing we have plenty of is space. you'll even notice, if you listen, you don't hear anything. >> right. >> not even commercial airliners flying over. >> they're not allowed to fly over? >> they're not. we have controlled air space, surface to infinity. this was part of the alamo gordo bombing range. by the time they were looking to do the trinity test, this area was under military control and u use. >> reporter: how much did the los alamos team know about the risk of radiation before the trinity test? >> not very much.

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i know not long ago you spoke to christopher nolan, the director of the movie oppenheimer, which showedwhich amazing scientific achievement was co—opted by governments for very clear military ends. and today we have a long and difficult discussion about how we're going to use artificial intelligence. how worried are you by the way science is being used today? i'm worried about the way everything is being used today. i think science is important for me, but it's not the most important thing. the most important thing is our human life or our social life. and i think that the decisions are taken by politics, by our common discussions. science is a tool. it's a profoundly powerful tool. but it's just that, no more than that. sometimes it itself can influence and have positive and negative effects. and of course, it has both. it's not that science by itself is neutral. it's the other way around. nothing is neutral. i think everything is political. and we, as citizens, i believe, not as scientists, should hold the responsibility of the good and the bad we're doing the world. if you were to lo

a villain , after that american superheroes fly in to save everyone, well, even the british christopher nolanut us philosophy with hollywood money, much more truthful and smarter in oppenheimer, who collected almost $1 billion at the box office, we saw how the states got used to solving the problems of the so-called national security, once upon a time , japan, which had already won back, was struck by an atomic bomb, not even two strikes for a special effect, so that, as many believe, it would not be for the sake of ending the second world war, but for a powerful start to the cold war. it's just a movie, yes, just a movie, but at the cost of 200,000 japanese lives. and here again, the states are rushing to the rescue with missiles to their advantage, and the russian aggressor, accused by the russian unscrupulous intelligentsia of helping and supporting hamas, is trying to appeal to common sense. it was we who proposed a peace resolution on the gas sector back on october 14. they did not listen to the truce project, this project was blocked by the usa, britain, france and japan. the russian pe

find i am annoyed with guys like nothing against their films, but i get annoyed with jj abrams, christopher nolan style movies which do similar things always with an answer. it is always th you figure it out. to me, the beauty of film when it is working, it opens outward. the answer isn't the answer, there are many. it is an object. it works or like that it has a mythic level of experiential value but what it means is you could be different every time you go through it. thanks -- host: thanks for sharing that story about your friend. you have a podcast in the 20 books. i wonder why you think it is you haven't shared that story publicly for. douglas: i don't know, when you share a story about the death of your friend, it feels a little like it is begging for sympathy. it is like oh u are talking about that sad thing and maybe also because -- i don't know, it takes a lot of years to move throh trauma. i remember back from my theater days, you have a scene if you have to cry or be upset or whatever it is in a play, what you do is recall when you've had a similar emotion and think about that in order

there is always an appetite for christopher nolan's films, and i think that the film speaks to a lotyesterday and so is tomorrow. and every day from now till forever. when the film came out, a new word was born, barbenheimer. because you went up against barbie and it kind of worked out for both of you. now, here we are a few months later, and it's the two of you going head to head for awards season. how would you look back on the whole barbenheimer? i think it was a bigger thing to everyone else than it was to us. we all were very excited that there was such a diverse kind of two films that you could go and see. and i think whoever coined that word, yes. i mean, it was a phenomenon. ..needs a prize or needs to be kind of used to go to work in the marketing department. it was a tremendous marketing thing. but, you know, it was great that there were two great movies that were, like emily says that were so different and that people it was great for cinema. you know, the people made a double bill out of it, so it was only a good thing, i think. have you both seen barbie? yeah, of course.