. >> christopher wadell says david nielsen says david didn't have a full picture of ensign peak. one of three church bishops who oversees finances. >> as a christian church we believe that some day jesus christ will return, but that's not why we have those resources. it's for the continuing operation and for the future. >> david nielsen alleged that ensign peak violated the tax-exempt status by directing money to church businesses. how would you characterize how that money was used? >> the church actually owned beneficial life, and unfortunately the church had the resources to bail out beneficial life during the financial crisis, 2008 and 2009. >> and the mall? >> the mall is not a bailout. the mall is a investment. >> and you are receiving returns on that investment? oh, absolutely. it was an investment. >> wadell says it has paid back most of the bailout money, but the church would not disclose the details of the deal or the mall investment. unlike other non-profit, religious organizations don't have to fully disclose all financial information to the irs. >> what is the value r