you also have christy clark. she might have name recognition.now if she has the infrastructure or broad popularity to lead the party. there is the former chancellor of the exchequer mark carney, the previous former bank of canada governor. he is on the more intellectual side of the liberal party. he might be someone to watch for. but at this point, the liberals are at least 20 points back, and that is a pretty tough slog to bounceback. anchor: let me ask you, how much did the threat from donald trump to impose these high tariffs on canada, how much of a role did that play in all of this? guest: i think it hurt him significantly. he was already facing a leadership crisis leading up to this. but when he went down to mar-a-lago to meet donald trump to talk about tariffs, that meeting did not go well. he returned back to canada and that is where you saw trump posting those mocking tones, demoting trudeau from prime minister to governor, saying canada should be the 51st state. there is a real sense that trudeau is not taken seriously. the same week t

christy clark, the premier of british columbia, a liberal has nothing to do with the trudeau government. she's been mentioned as somebody from outside the liberal government to have a fresh start. we've also heard some -- heard from some french-canadian voices, people who speak french primarily. -- from fact, is a very dynamic, very engaged politician. ethan leading canada's effort on ai, critical minerals, trying to deal with a range of other aspects of the canadian economy, so he has a lot of name recognition as a politician. from montreal, the current foreign minister has been mentioned by some. from toronto, the minister of transportation, she's really sharp. i'm not sure she's going to run this time, but she would be a great candidate. last but not least, leblanc is from new brunswick, by lynn you will, he led with justin trudeau and went to meet with president trump and mar-a-lago and some think of him as may be justin trudeau's favorite attentional successor, but i don't see him necessarily playing the role of financial leader, but perhaps kingmaker in backing one of the other ca