sean: we are joined by caroline feldman, the chairmen of the club for growth, chrus chocola, and joe.barney frank was talking to people and he was arrogant. people are asking great questions. >> we were promised change that we can believe in. so far, if we are going and we have these changes, we don't even have a clue as to what they are, how can we believe in it? how can we trust the government that is shoving things through without letting us have a reasonable discussion? >> twho ever told you to trust the government? use your own individual initiative. sean: the government bank erupted medicare, medicaid, social security, and upon it was not supposed to go over 8%. why should we trust them on health care? >> i think that the response was really wonderful. he says not to trust the government, and get educated. sean: he wanted to ram this bill down our throat without reading it. >> health care is a really complicated issue and so far we are in the land of fiction. we are in a land of fiction with deaf panels. -- death panels. sean: at the end, they're talking about end of life counse