chuck berger is the ceo of extreme networks. when you talk about gaining visibility over the networks what does that mean? does that mean you're actually able to tell what it is i'm doing on my iphone at the library or train station? >> we have a new product that we just introduced called purview, as a result of that product we are now the official wi-fi analytics providers for the national football league. >> are you looking at what i'm doing on the iphone, chuck? congratulations on the nfl. are you looking at what i'm doing on the iphone? >> what is going across the network but not looking at any individual data. to be -- not to be too technical the packet header not what's in the packet to see what applications are being used and then help, in the case of the national football league -- >> netflix but not "orange is the new black". >> yes. >> we know it's net flicks or in the arena environment where 80,000 start to light up their wireless devices the most common use there is taking selfies and sending it to your friends acros

berger, nice to see you, sir. >> good to see you, chuck. >> debating history here is going to matter at some point, so let me ask you this. is this current crisis the war itself? would we be in this situation -- do you think we'd be in this situation if we had not invaded iraq in 2003? >> you could have a lot of narratives here. isis grew up in the aftermath of the invasion in resistance to our occupation and presence in iraq. so in that sense, some of this is obviously the result of our having gone into iraq. but there are a lot of -- >> a lot of mistakes made since then, there's no doubt. >> their deep, historic aspects of this. there's a deep sectarian element of this, there's a regional contest here between iran and saudi arabia, iraq and iran, so i do think that the invasion of iraq made a difference here. but i don't think it's the only factor. >> i was intrigued by something that prime minister netanyahu said, because obviously on one hand one of our priorities should be the security of israel. and he said, well, we can't have isis taking over iraq and he doesn't want iraq to