i was fascinated to talk with chuck clark yesterday and the chart of all those predictions. a couple years back a new one comes out that's radically different from the old one and this keeps happening. it never gets hard but just keeps changing. >> i would like to echo those last few thoughts on the floor. certainly our experience in the, uk, is you can't move forward at all if you face challenges in an integrated way, without engaging properly with the utility communist and regulators. it's absolutely essential. it's not natural for us in the, uk. we have spent a lot of time building trust between the agencies and companies but when we achieved that it's been enormously helpful and it's achieved the feedback back into the legislation process because when you get a collective bodies working together, it's very easy to influence the legislation process. >> chuck, i'm going back to running the office and be a regulator and tell you what i hated. what i hated is when people came in and said they didn't like the rules and they wanted a performance based standard and they would s

chuck clark the director of seattle public utilities. edward for the portland water bureau. marine stapleton for the san die ae go and less tear from water and wally bishop the contra water d district. each panelist will have a chance to speak and ten minute time limit is a little like global warming. it sneaks up on you and then it's hard to deal with there that end. we'll try to reserve of for questions and answered that end. thanks. >> thank you jarrod and i will go through this quickly and i hope there's sufficient teasers in there to get you to ask questions as we get near the end. cautionary notes this is the system of seattle system, not your system. you have to look that principals and see if they apply to the same work the planning side, the modeling side, the adaptive side and i'll talk briefly for a few seconds on mayors initiative on climate control because it gives an as political environment to work in and then the seattle system. the mayor of seattle nickels started the protocols for the city and started process with a lot of other mayors to start aggressively