and he said i was--he was going to eob and see chuck colson. i said, 'do you mind if i come along and photograph?' and he said, 'no, come on along.' and we appeared there at the door, and colson looked at me with jeb, and he just went ballistic. he did not appreciate the fact that jeb had brought me there. and he--now that--mind you, the watergate had happened 10 days before, and the last thing in the world i'm sure he wanted to see was a photographer with--with jeb, when they had to talk about matters that maybe referred to it. i mean, i have no way of knowing, but i can just speculate. but jeb convinced him to let me stay for a little while, and then i would leave, which is how i did it. i mean, i--i got my photographs and left. and it was only later that i realized how significant that must have been, that time frame. c-span: where did you get this picture of spiro agnew? >> guest: we were--i was on the campaign trail with him in 1970 and--as part of this first coverage of the first term, and this was done in the holiday inn--the presidential

i spoke with chuck colson who started a group called prison fellowship after he left prison in the 1950s. he told me at the time he left prison there were 250,000 people in prison in america. today there are 2.5 million people in prison in america. and 70% to 80% of them grew up without a father in the home. now, let's just do the math. and what america is going to look like. and you tell me how we can be economically successful. folks, we as remembers, we as conservatives, we can't go out there and just say cut spending, cut taxes, everybody's going to be fine. first off, economically, everybody isn't going to be fine. we need to create an environment where all people can rise. and we also have to create a culture that is consistent with the values of our country. our country was a great country because we believed in building a great and just society from the bottom up. believing in freedom, faith, family. the school, the little hospital, the civic and charitable organizations. what have we done? what's happened? this government has gotten bigger and more forceful. they're sweeping the

where people like robert george of princeton in getting these catholics and bishops together like chuck colsonker, you know, the logic of where they're pushing is not to take us to iran but it's a theocracy lite. it would be american democracy tempered by what they would call biblical absolutes which means we're no longer under the rule of law as most americans would understand it. it's in not a level playing field. if you're a white christian, evangelical, conservative roman catholic, all of a sudden you get special privileges -- you get tax exemption but you also get to say, oh, well, we're not going to insure women for contraceptions. that's the world they would create, what it is headed towards. >> frank, good to have you on today. we appreciate your insights. thank you. >> thomas, thanks for having me. >> we'll be right back. first, thanks for the memories to davy jones. ♪ wake up sleepy jean oh, what can it mean to a daydream believer ♪ ♪ and a homecoming queen ♪ for a hot dog cart. my mother said, "well, maybe we ought to buy this hot dog cart and set it up someplace." so my parents wen

chuck colson started a group called prison fellowship in the 1970's. he tell me at that time there are 250 nelson people in america in prison. today there are 2.5 million people in america and 80% of them grew up without a father in home. let's just do the math and what america is going to look like and you tell me how we can be economically successful. folks, we as republicans and conservatives cannot just go out there and say cut taxes, cut spending, everybody is going to be fine. everybody is not going to be fine. we have to create an environment where all people can rise and we have to create a culture that is consistent with the values of our country. we believe in creating a just society from the bottom up. believing in faith, family the leading institutions that you may have read about for democracy in america. we talk about all these organizations at the grass- roots level, at the school, the little hospital, the civic and charitable organization. what we have done. what has happened. as carmen has gotten bigger and more forceful, they -- gover