that if there is denominational distinct days, but an accumulation of the trenches as i believe chuck colson sat in which we know what we are facing and we want to help each other be more faithful right here, right now. i appreciate what you have to say about the important conversation. that's what i want to start on a conversation. i don't have all the answers. i need to learn from the black church myself. i need to learn from rubbing catholic friends come them are deeply from own orthodox tradition and evangelical friends because we are all in this together. that's what i've been absolutely convinced that. we are all in this together. the stronger the centuries as you said, the more daring our outreach can be. that is such a beautiful encapsulation of "the benedict option." frederica santorini, founder of the tippy lusty community in italy, the catholic community, i asked her about this. what you say to people who said you all are withdrawing because they live in normal apartments. but they come together in community and their center for prayer, for the mass, for sports, communal gardening