is eric metaxas the next chuck colson?> guest: that's a one article, that the one word article, no. there are many things are chuck colson that i admire but that's the funny thing is what first but i thought i'm going to be somebody who will be just like me. i am a poet, humorist. i really am so different from chuck chuck was a lawyer, illegal mine. he was a marine. he was a political player. i am none of those things. i am, as i said i'm a joker. i really anyways i'm preconfigured i'm more of an artist personality. i'm more inclined to write a poem or a novel or to sing a song. chuck colson was like in washington player who had an incredible legal mind and thought like a lawyer. i discovered pretty quickly eveh the with some similarities, i'm nothing like chuck colson. >> host: eric metaxas come in your chapter on chuck colson in seven men, what surprised me was his friendship with very liberal iowa senator harold hughes he it was, this was during watergate. >> guest: that's one of the things i learned from chuck colson.

many things about chuck colson i admire but when i first met him a that i would need someone just likee. i am a poet, humorist, so different from chuck, chuck was a lawyer. a legal mind. he was a marine, a political player. i am none of those things in spades. i am a joker. in many ways i am very different. i am more inclined to write a poem or a novel or sing a song. chuck colson was a washington player with an incredible legal mind, i discovered quickly that even though we have some similarities i am nothing like chuck colson. >> host: in your chapter on chuck colson in seven men what surprised me with his friendship with very liberal iowa senator harold hughes and this was during watergate. >> guest: that is what i learned from chuck colson and wilberforce. if you are really about god first, you have to be about politics second, which means you don't make friends with people whether they agree with your not. jesus commands us to love our enemies. even if someone is my enemy ideologically or otherwise i'm commanded to pray for them and love them. if you don't take it seriously you ar

i'm a student of chuck colson and he told us the only way you learn is to teach it. teaching. teaching to yourselves, teach it to your peers, talk about it constantly. be prepared for your speech. your teaching it constantly, then you will be comfortable and confident, your spine will step in. you can do it without getting angry anger is always the last resort. emotion is the last thing when you've lost the ability to be logical and make sense. you see it so often in political debate. people will digress to the name-calling. to the ad hominem, the ad popular or the non sequitur. they will digress with a fallacy because that's grounded in feeling rather than to stay on point and if you have the ability, courage, the confidence to stay on point as you practice, you will bethe only one in the room that has it. >> i was wondering if you could , i'm trying to figure out what could be a sense of about first corinthians 13. i read it and did you ever find this guy or girl and asked them, i guess you said it was a male, what was wrong , what's wrong with corinthians 13? it's baffling.

along with chuck colson the had the privilege of the funding introduced me to the concept they he was the man in great britain he machines is the of power and of parliament so when you know, all the details it is freaky stuff they he has a moral issue a serious question around 1785 and ask god what it you want me to do? and he went to visit his friend john newton who wrote "amazing grace" and he said no.repare as seems he has prepared you and stays in politics to say the suppression of the slave trade and the morality or culture. he understood great britain was a hypocrite nation with every kind of abomination. do e do with tax dollars or private dollars? in those days nobody helped him up for. wilbur said died called me into of politics to abolishh slavery and everything else.y iu he is a force if you don't know who he is you are missing because i was embarrassed almost daily it bought he changed the world so of course, it is wrongslaver except him in a few quakers say evangelicals and said this is an abomination he spent years and years doing other stuff. he is my great hero. if you