stability that my parents and a generation of americans fought so hard to defend. >> joining us now is chuck hagel served as defense secretary during the obama administration and saw combat as a soldier in vietnam. secretary hagel, thank you for joining us. if the ukrainian zelenskyy is right and the horrors of bucha will be repeated, do you think the atrocities should impact the u.s.'s role in this war or does it not change anything in terms of the level of involvement on the ground? >> well, thanks for having me, anderson. let me just reflect in answering your question on what general milley said today that you just ran a clip of that. as people watch this raw carnage, the massacres of innocent people and he's right, we haven't seen this since world war ii, there will be consequences. there will be repercussions. there will be more and more demand on the united states and the west to do more as we're seeing, every week it accelerates. do more, do more. more sanctions tomorrow. more calls for more weapons, more sophisticated weapons and s-300 missile defense system. you're going have more pressur

so i think general hodges, his point is generally right. >> mike: secretary chuck hagel, thank you for> sandra: thank you very much for joining us, appreciate that. thank you. by the way, a live look at the white house where we are expecting to hear from president biden and former president barack obama. he will be making remarks along with the president on the affordable care act, looking back at the many years on this anniversary. so we are going to listen for that. but is there more about all this to bringing former president obama up on the stage amid president biden's sagging poll numbers? >> mike: and critics slamming a plan to tap the oil reserve. is there a solution? >> it would be better if the administration just worked with us to increase production. this administration has placed so many obstacles in front of the oil and gas companies that it's time to reverse course on some of the policies. no one deserves the american dream of homeownership more than veterans. at newday, you can buy a home with no down payment. and they're holding rates in the 3s. already own a home and n

. >> chuck hagel speaking there. in addition to the us more than 30 other countries have also delivered security assistance t ukraine since the beginning of russia's invasion. a global effort to be sure. >> see you back here in just a minute. >> of very good story but i wil talk to you in just a bit. >> it will be interesting to se a four on the same page. time for expert analysis to the latest developments on the war ukraine, including unsurprising take of hostility from the pentagon. lucas kunz and national securit analyst rebecca heinrich. good to see you. >> thanks. >> griff gave us a reference to this earlier and wanted to play this from general millie. >> it is a bit early still, eve though we are a month plus and the war. there is much of the war that i left in ukraine and i think tha this is the conflict and i thin it is measured in years threat of how but decades but at least years for sure. >> that is very difficult to digest for the globe in general but i've got to imagine the ukrainian people to hear that

>> chuck hagel was on with sandra yesterday. former secretary of defense.lley last hour expect it. it will happen. first hagel on that and then the question. >> the most immediate thing we have to do is we have to stop this war. and it cannot be seen as a victory in any way for putin. that means ukrainians need to go on the offensive and we need to help them with that. we need to upgrade the weaponry and need to upgrade everything we're doing including sanctions, tougher, tougher sanctions to really strangle putin. >> bill: last point about sanctions. to go on the offensive. that's something this administration has not wanted to do. but if you give them more javelin tank weapons, the trench warfare that will happen now in southeastern ukraine will help. >> why are we making the ukrainians beg for things? why are we doing that? this is a war on freedom. i'm glad the czechs are giving them tanks now. more europeans should be giving them more things but we should give them anti-aircraft and helping with everything we can. they are not asking for troops on the