, i got another job, which went away because of scheduling, and then two days later, i met with chuck lorre. tavis: it is a long y from the soap operas. >> and now, the soap operas have died. there were two, three, or four, and they were great for an actor who needed to pay off its credit cards and make it permanent. one of the ones i did, and i did it for three months one summer, but i was also doing a play, and they were able to help guarantee that. it was great, a very nice life for in new york actors to sort of balanced -- to sort of balance that. the theater does not play that well. tavis: the theater is pulling you back, and that you are missing begin on the stage. >> it is what i did in school and fort at least -- and for a least some after that. -- at least some after that. it is stuff that you want more of. it is like a drug. i crave that. it is nice, too, on a sit-com to have an audience there, but there is still a wall of cameras. when you have that unfiltered, there is nothing like it. tavis: camera 3. i just want you to look into camera. smile. >> -- look into a camera 3 -- int