we saw a lot of movies like uncommon valor, rambo, chuck morris and they are always bringing the prisoners home. there were attempts but nobody ever escaped and it's not clear if they were able to get him out. just curious when you were involved if there were plans of trying to find folks to bring them home and things that happened in iran with regards to the hostages to bring people to recover. is there anything that you can describe from that perspective? >> there was a team from the united states army that they called salt and pepper, one black and one white, they were high on that list. the tailwind was an example of of a mission that went really bad because it had the potential to be bad in the first place. i don't know if anybody here remembers where they accused special forces of all kinds of atrocities and trying to rescue prisoners in south vietnam and i think that stain against their honor is why we tried so hard to get the hostages out of iran. it is an exercise in futility. but they are saying out of one side is not what they mean out of the other. all of the assets for their.