>> i'm not a big fan, but i'm not chuck norris. >> you can become chuck norris. can do a board, too. >> mike: c'mon! [ applause ] >> all right. now you break the healthcare bill. >> mike: what if i break my hand? >> you won't break it. just go through it. just think -- go all the way through it. >> mike: you almost did it. [ laughter ] okay. >> all right. >> mike: you know if i break my hand, i'll never speak to you again. it's chuck norris. what am i going to do about it, huh? >> there you go. >> mike: oh! [ applause ] >> mike: oh! have a seat, chuck. >> okay. >> mike: we had a little fun. had to do that. off brand new book that's sort of a collection of all things chuck norris. tell me how in the world did this chuck norris joke thing get started? this is unbelievable. >> this started four years ago. a college kid sent me several chuck norris facts on my e-mail and i'm reading them and i'm laughing. they're pretty funny. and so anyway, from there, the college kids caught on to it and it started going around to all the universities and the colleges. and then it

sort of in the anal where obama -- age where obama and oprah were a team and mike huckabee and chuck norris were a team, so it doesn't matter whether whether you're democrat or republican, i think both sides are very involved with hollywood and celebrity. >> jason killian meeks, author of "hollywood on the potomac." thank you so much. >> journalist stephen greenhut takes a critical can look at government workers and the unions that represent them. he argues that government employees have become a huge drain on government course. barnes & noble is the host of this event, it's about 50 minutes. .. >> when the government fears the people, there is liberty. and that's another thing in the book. it's not just about -- pension liabilities in the financial cost in the financial burdens, it's about a class of people who have come to control us in many ways. and i find increasingly that we are fearing the government officials, and in a free society it should be the other way around. i'm in sacramento now. i'm starting in investigative journalism program and news burrell for the pacific research inst