tim allen, the fellow that was in rudy charles, chuck olson. so, having committed a terrible crime should not condemn you forever. john, thank you for this chance. i am a big fan of your show. i watch it often to you i appreciate this chance to talk with you and share thoughts on this important issue. host: pat nolan is the director emeritus at the american servant of union foundation nolan center for justice. it is conservativejustice reform.org. before we go we are saying goodbye today to our longtime producer on this program, jan ross. -- jen russ. in her goodbye imo she wrote "when i started at the washington journal as an intern, i knew i had found my place." you certainly did over 17 years. we will miss you. best of luck in your next adventure. we will see you down the road that will do it for our program today. we will be back here tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern 4:00 p.m. pacific. have a great saturday. ♪ ♪ >> keith richburg has been the printer knows his entire life. originally from detroit, michigan, worked for the washington po