for that, i'm joined by chuck plunkett, he a former editorial page editor for "the denver post."2018 he protested layoffs of the news room staff after the paper was taken over by a hedge fund. he's now directors of the news corporation at the university of colorado-bouer, a media program for student journalists. and charles sennott, a veteran fjournalist anderrenned c.e.o. of groundtruth project fothat founded reporamerica which helps train and replace reporters in local noms. welcome to both ofnnou, charles t, help us define the problem and its causes. in bad terms, how do you describe the current situation? >> i think the csis in journalism in america has become a real crisis for our democracy. as you pointed out, there are nrzs across the country that are seeing their staffs decimated. itwe are seeing comms where their news organizations have p closedd gone away. there are 2,000 newspapers that have completely shut down, 2,000 communities without a newspaper. 1300 no longer have any local news coverage at all, no one watching the store from all towns to medium-sized cities. wh