i know, chuck ramsey is up there. >> host: in philadelphia. >> guest: yeah. in philadelphia. chicago is up there. and then if you look at size of force, if you compare the size of force. there are police chiefs that have police departments -- there's police chiefs in the region here that the police departments a quarter of the size of what i have, that are making close to what i make. you have to weigh a lot of that stuff too. >> host: several years ago, i don't know twenty, thirty, forty years ago, the population break down in the city was 70% african-american. it's now 50% african-american, 38% caucasian, and others. what happened? where did the african-americans go? what difference does that make today at all? >> guest: the population has shifted. i would say that has occurred at least initially it was fairly guard l. started about ten years ago. there was an acceleration in the last five years. i think the city is a under the last -- tony williams administration i had put together the visionary. >> host: the mayor. >> guest: yes, the mayor. put together a vision for the -