still with us, obviously, maya wiley, joyce vance, chuck rosenberg. andrew, talk about rudy's capacity for disappointment at not being a member of the team, and talk about his capacity for embarrassment at what's happened to him thus far. >> he was on steve bannon's podcast the other night talking about how frustrated he was. he talks about it openly. he wants to be trying that case. and i think -- trump says there may be a conflict but i think there are a lot of reasons why you're not seeing giuliani out there. first of all, i don't think a lot of republican senators want to see him out there. i mean, ask yourself this question. he is the central figure in this drama. >> he really is. >> but no one is calling for giuliani to testify. they're calling for bolton. they're calling for pompeo. no one is calling for giuliani. the theory is that i don't think that either republicans or the democrats feel it's in their best interests for giuliani to get up there and say we should prosecute the bidens for -- or joe biden for bribery and extortion, which is ex

still with us, obviously, maya wiley, joyce vance, chuck rosenberg.w, talk about rudy's capacity for disappointment at not being a member of the team, and talk about his capacity for embarrassment at what's happened to him thus far. >> he was on steve bannon's podcast the other night talking about how frustrated he was. he talks about it openly. he wants to be trying that case. and i think -- trump says there may be a conflict but i think there are a lot of reasons why you're not seeing giuliani out there. first of all, i don't think a lot of republican senators want to see him out there. i mean, ask yourself this question. he is the central figure in this drama. >> he really is. >> but no one is calling for giuliani to testify. they're calling for bolton. they're calling for pompeo. no one is calling for giuliani. the theory is that i don't think that either republicans or the democrats feel it's in their best interests for giuliani to get up there and say we should prosecute the bidens for -- or joe biden for bribery and extortion, which is exactly

i am joined by our very special friends at the beat, a chuck rosenberg sandwich of sorts.adio legends, stretch armstrong and bobbito garcia. their radio show famously broke some of hip hop's iconic artists, people you know like jay-z, eminem, nas, wu-tang klan and are producing their first album, no requests. djs don't like requests. if you wanted to do requests, don't book a dj. it features beats and samples from some of their legendary days. and for his first fallback friday ever, msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg, he served in many senior posts in the justice department and multiple administrations, former chief of staff to fbi director james comey and former acting dea chief. and you can listen to him on our own msnbc weekly podcast, "the oath with chuck rosenberg." check it out. thanks for doing this, all of you. >> thanks for having us. >> i love it. it's great. you guys look good together. >> thank you. >> stretch, who needs to fall back? >> mark zuckerberg and facebook need to fall back. mark, not just his haircut is tragic, not just because he's meeting privately

attorney and fbi official, chuck rosenberg. i'm going to start with you. because never in my life have i needed so much expert advice about witnesses and what make as witness credible. but someone explain this to me yesterday and i want to know if after seeing parnas you agree with this assessment. parnas has been indicted by the southern district of new york. they have his whatsapps and they've charged him already. he's made himself available to congressional investigators. he has no motive to lie or it could be an additional federal crime he's charged with, right? >> that's right. if he lies to congress, it's an additional federal crime. if he lies to rachel maddow, it's not. there's a weird thing going on. because mr. parnas is a defendant in a pending criminal federal case, he has every incentive to get out of trouble and reduce his exposure. but the place to do that is not on nmsnbc, the place to that is in the sulgouthern district of york. if they found him valuable and credible, he wouldn't be talking publicly on television. it suggests to me they d

you have seen chuck rosenberg, michael steele, claire mccaskill. we are joined by chris hayes, the host of "all in" and lawrence o'donnell, the host of "last word," lawrence i go to you first, dealer's choice as someone who worked in the senate. i want to read the language, sometimes we can go so fast, they're talking about mick mulvaney, i want your analysis what this is actually asking. it's pretty striking, lawrence, because what chuck schumer is now asking everyone to stand up and vote on is this formal request, which would, if it got the votes, require mick mulvaney to testify, and it says quote, the sergeant at arms is authorized to use the services of his deputies or any employee of the senate in serving the subpoena, authorized by this section to use the power of the senate, lawrence, to compel the testimony of this individual who as mentioned has spoken in public about these matters but not cooperated with the coequal branch, with the house or the senate. >> well, it would be the first time that we see those powers of the senate, those sub

thank you, chuck rosenberg. i can tell viewers we've been keeping an eye on the cameras we have outside the courtroom. the senate controls inside the courtroom. you can't see in there. that's why we've used those courtroom sketches which caught some senators sleeping on the job as well. what you're looking at right now here is the closest thing we have to that floor until we turn it on. you see the security senate staff and we've watched a few senators heading back in there including leader mcconnell. while they are technically late to return, we do have the signs they are returning soon. with our panel, chris matthews, as we sit here during the hour of "hardball," what do you think? >> the ones taking notes are the ones i'm curious about. mitt romney and a couple of others. alexander. they're taking notes for a reason. they're not on camera. they're not doing it for effect. >> they're off camera. >> they're doing it because they want a record of the trial themselves. they are panning for gold, like all of us. n

joining us now is chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney in the eastern district of virginia. chuck, great to see you. >> it's nice to see you. >> let me -- i am not a lawyer. i read these things for -- because it's my job and for fun. is there intrigue? are there unanswered questions in terms of how this is resolving as flynn heads towards getting sentenced? >> the biggest question is what the judge is going to do with this. right? i mean, what the prosecutors are signaling to the judge is that this guy deserves something more than a term of probation. how much more, completely up to the judge. he has plenty of authority here. but they're telling the judge in no uncertain terms he did not accept responsibility. he did not help our case, our investigation. and you ought to know about that, your honor. >> and the way that plea agreements and cooperation deals work is that you pledge to completely cooperate with prosecutors. if in the judgment of prosecutors alone you don't completely cooperate or you lie to them or you otherwise breach the terms of the deal, it's within their di

and chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and former senior fbi official. down in washington this hour, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," also happens to be co-author of a very timely book called "impeachment: an american history," which was being read in the senate chamber tonight by senator lamar alexander, a fact that we know because it was tweeted out by one susan glasser, who has an undeniable bias on this topic, as she is married to peter baker. peter, we'll begin with you. your react to this split news tonight -- collins of maine is a yes, which doesn't mean anything yet in terms of the vote total. alexander of tennessee, retiring, is a no with qualifications on his way out the door. >> yeah, it's very suspenseful, of course. it's not suspenseful in the final outcome. we've got to remember that. we're still heading to what everybody is certain is an acquittal of the president. the only question is when and after what kind of a process? that gives a lot of people an argument one way or the other -- it was a sham tr

let me tell everyone where we're at and chuck rosenberg has an update for us abuse of power. it is 7:15 ear on the east coast and the senate is 10 minutes over the return time and they'll be returning from dinner soon and sometimes the breaks are a little longer. with we had seen hakeem jeffries close up a barn-burner of a demonstration where he went through everything that the democrats say donald trump has publicly said, done, and then base ily proven to have done under the evident regarding shaking down ukraine to get election help. that is an abuse of power and they say the evidence is overwhelming. we were talking about how the rebut is not so much he didn't do it, maybe nothing is impeachable. maybe impeachment isn't in the constitution and nobody should read it. chuck rodenberg an independent and neutral observer on the verdict has been fact checking some of the law and you wanted to add something about abuse of power. >> i do. and lawrence articulated perfectly why good lawyers tell their clients not to talk. because every time they talk they narrow their options for

is it. >> joining me here, matt gorman, chuck rosenberg, former u.s. and the great jay johnson, the secretary of homeland security under president obama. nbc's kasie hunt is up on capitol hill. kasie, the elephant in the room for me is are there going to be a deal for witnesses or just witnesses without a deal? >> reporter: chris, it was interesting to me that romney went that far to talk about a potential swap here. we haven't seen people come here and discuss that as openly as he did so i think that's telling. i don't think that republicans are going to want to go into any sort of situation where there are witnesses being called without having some idea of how it would play out. i think you're more likely to get a deal than to have some sort of free for all that's uncontrolled on the senate floor. mitch mcconnell is not somebody who likes to operate in that kind of environment. now, the question of course is how much control will he have over that and there's some tension inside the republican conference on this question because if you're ted cruz or

was susan collins earlier today, back with me jeh johnson, peggy noonan and senior fbi official chuck rosenberging it pretty clear where she stands. chuck, while -- i want to start the question with you and use your legal mind here. which is this. so bolton -- if this witness swap happens and we're a long way before friday and that witness vote and the president invokes executive privilege, i have to say i have been persuaded with my lack of law school education, but it an pyres that the -- appears that the federal judiciary branch has no role whatsoever in adjudicating executive privilege on a senate trial. where do we go? >> just because the federal judiciary may decide it shouldn't decide the question doesn't mean the president won't seek to invoke the jurisdiction so that could take time. >> but can't we quickly say, the federal judiciary has no jurisdiction in an impeachment trial which the constitution says sole -- the word sole. >> right. the senate has the sole authority to try cases of impeachment. but the president may be take a position that this not an impeachment question. this is

chuck rosenberg here. how would you -- >> hi. >> hi.atic side on the senate, were they to make a pitch to their republican colleagues, how would they frame this argument? the facts haven't seemed to be working, the law hasn't seemed to be working. how would you frame the pitch to your republican colleagues that we need to hear from witnesses? >> all i can say is if they don't understand at this point that in a fair trial there are witnesses, if they haven't seen the polls that show, what is it 70% of the people want witnesses, i think all the democrats can do is present the fairness case, present the polls to them, and explain to them that this is about fairness. it's not about the end result. we all know the end result here. but i think they will pay a price. i will tell you, those former colleagues of mine who were in purple states, they cannot explain their stance. i think cory gardner just made a deal. i don't care about my reelect, i guess i'll get a good job afterwards. i don't see that he gets re-elected in a state like colorado

coverage of the trial of donald trump and joined by donna edwards, former federal prosecutor chuck rosenberg, former u.s. senator and former prosecutor, claire mccaskill and eugene robinson of the "washington post." eugene, what hakeem jeffries did was zero in on something that has hung over much of the proceedings, but he really bore down on what the president was doing with his foreign policy power. >> he did. and the way hakeem jeffries did it was to almost go line by line through the rough transcript of the phone call, of the july 25th phone call between president trump and president zelensky of ukraine. and sort of highlight and point out all the insane and unethical and improper and impeachable things that the president said in that call. i think he did that effectively. but i think if you look at the whole day, what the speakers, the managers who spoke before jeffries did was point out that it wasn't just the phone call. there was a larger conspiracy. in other words, they laid the ground work for jeffries to talk about the phone call. they talked about rudy giuliani running around eur

attorney, chuck rosenberg and white house reporter, jonathan lamere. the president said he welcomed the impeachment. we saw the anxiety. >> it's been on two very separate tracks here. they feel like his numbers have ticked up. there's public polling that shows the majority of americans believe there should be witnesses and a thorough and fair trial. though the president thinks this could help him in 2020, he's personally outraged and he's not making any secret of it. and the champion lsu team. he knows this is a personal stain on his legacy. this is the first line of his obituary. grants said it might be the first president impeached to be reelected. he knows this is going to stay with himt him and something clearly bothering him, particularly as we tick towards the trial starting. >> and they shouldn't be surprised to see the line up of litigators. a lot of them auditioned publicly on fox news. the full-throated defense the president wants on his behalf. >> you have a number of people who have been fierce defenders of the president. then you have whit

and then i had the opportunity - - we were at an event with chuck rosenberg who was the acting head of the dea. you will see him now on msnbc sometimes. something on opioid abuse. so chuck was running late. so we were there at the event and i found myself in this room. with the director. and he just, i guess this was for noah. he would just interview people, start interviewing them. who are you? what do you do? i know he called me about the tweet. but i guess i didn't realize it was a job interview that i didn't realize when he asked me, how are things going in the fbi? you asked how am i doing? i'm a member pausing. i thought, the ceo is asking me how i think he's doing. the beauty was i was a week -and-a-half from ending my assignment and going back to the field. i said okay, i'm leaving headquarters, going to the field. there's nothing they can do to me. [laughter] and when will i have this audience to tell the head of the company. any organization you love. you want to say what's on your mind. so i explained things i had issues with. some challenges. he probed a little bit. tell me

joining me now is harry litman and also olivia beavers and chuck rosenberg. o olivia, we are finally coming to the end of the impeachment purgatory. congress is coming back next weekend we expect that the house speaker will transmit the articles of impeachment, she will name the house managers and then it kicks to the senate. we've seen democrats try to ramp up pressure on the republican senators, those up for re-election. and we've seen senator collins and murkowski send ting the quarning shquarn i warning shots to mcconnell. >> and like you said, you have four who are going after mcconnell. right now if i would have to bet, they don't have the votes. they don't think that gardner will flip, at least my republican sources that i've talked -- collins left the door open. so you are seeing that democrats might be making leeway there. >> and chuck, if the senate trial comes and goes with no witnesses, president trump will try to campaign as the exonerated, acquitted president. can he really say that if this is a two week trial where the house managers present th

i want to bring somebody who knows the department well chuck rosenberg, chief of staff and msnbc contributor on what you heard from lev parnas and now bill barr. >> have to be careful, spent a lifetime with informants. >> let's remind people he got arrest prosecuted. >> he's under indictment. he's not a convicted felon but alleged flown. hallie, i spent a lifetime with people like this. you have to be so careful to corroborate what he said. here is how i would put it, i don't trust him but that doesn't mean he's lying. a lot of what he said to rachel maddow was secondhand information. he spoke directly with mr. giuliani all the time. he didn't speak with barr, mr. trump about the facts central to this case. he spoke with giuliani. firsthand information there might be credible and might be corroborated. secondhand information, one step away, one jump away, much more difficult. >> the piece he brought receipts, gave receipts to house investigators. >> that helps. all those documents help. that's how you corroborate a story. you do it with documents and other witnesses. do you want to talk to a

i'm chris hayes in new york, we have a bunch of folks with us at the table, chuck rosenberg, michael steele, claire mccaskill, ar ri mel burn. if -- ari melber. two amendments that have been proposed and both have been voted on, voted down in fact, to be tabled, specifically the first amendment proposed by the senate democrats was to subpoena documents from the white house. the second to subpoena documents from the state department. the third, which we just had was to subpoena documents from omb. we are now entering the fourth amendment which is the first amendment calling for a witness. and that would be mick mulvaney, of course the man who's held many different positions in this white house. he's currently the chief of staff. we have geoff bennett who's on the hill who's been reporting there throughout the day. geoff, what's the expectation right now on capitol hill about what happens next? >> reporter: chris, as you mentioned, the senators are in the back half of their 30 minute dinner break. we should say, though, that senate time is very much unlike realtime so this 30-minute br

taking constitutional law right now, in any law school in america -- >> just watch us. >> watch chuck rosenberg, what a realtime lesson plan you get to have. chuck, andrea and eugene, thank you. this special coverage will continue throughout the day, throughout this week for sure. as this impeachment trial begins in just a few hours. a former impeachment manager will be here as ari melber will pick up the special coverage on the impeachment trial of donald john trump. that is next. i wanted my hepatitis c gone. i put off treating mine. epclusa treats all main types of chronic hep c. whatever your type, epclusa could be your kind of cure. i just found out about mine. i knew for years epclusa has a 98% overall cure rate. i had no symptoms of hepatitis c mine caused liver damage. epclusa is only one pill, once a day, taken with or without food for 12 weeks. before starting epclusa, your doctor will test if you have had hepatitis b, which may flare up, and could cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. tell your doctor if you have had hepatitis b, other liver or... ...kidney problem

jo joining me why it matters to you, our white house reporter, chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney, senior fbi official, and guess who is back. steve schmidt himself, former republican strategist and adviser to john mccain and george w. bush. steve, say john bolton testifies. this guy is a lifelong republican. he could take us up to the edge of wrongdoing, not deliver a smoking gun. why are democrats excited to have john bolton testify. we know president trump spent a lifetime going to the deliver and never delivering the smoking gun. >> we know john bolton described the transaction as a drug deal, that he was concerned about it. we know that he knows exactly what happened. whether he testifies and ex-pull indicates the president or incriminates him, we have no idea. he is a fact witness. unimpeachable no pun intended conservative. john bolton will have tremendous credibility because you can't seriously label him as a trump hater. you can't label him as a liberal. can't label him as a never trumper. he is somebody who has been in the public sphere controversially for a lon

recovering senator claire mccaskill, chuck rosenberg former u.s. attorney and we're also joined by maya wiley, a civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst. thank you all for being here tonight. we are wrapping up before midnight. this is a different sort o of throe in terms of what the american public is being asked to stomach and get through. in terms of the classified material let me ask, is that how you all understand it? >> yes, i think you described it exactly right. there is something jennifer williams submitted to supplement the record. it's classified, so we don't get to see it. the chief justice, the presiding officer of the impeachment trial put it into the record for the senators. mr. schiff urged them to go look at it. >> in termination of this document potentially being improperly classified, raised by adam schiff and on the floor of the senate by zoe lofgren. if it has been improperly classified and it should be something that the public can see, who adjudicates that? >> well, it's complicated. ultimately a court does if it gets t

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jason johnson, politics editor, and chuck rosenberg, former u.s.just joining us now, you can't go any farther without watching adam schiff last night. let's see that. >> let's say they start interfering in our election again to help donald trump. can you have the least bit of confidence that donald trump will stand up to them and protect our national interest over his own personal interest? you know you can't. colonel vindman said here right matters. if right doesn't matter, we're lost. if the truth doesn't matter, we're lost. the framers couldn't protect us from ourselves if right and truth don't matter. this is why if you find him guilty you must find that he should be removed. because right matters. because right matters. and truth matters. otherwise we are lost. >> speeches in politics that leave a mark. i'm going to say that was one of them. chris matthews, i think that one of the challenges the democrats have had is that for people who have been paying close attention, some of this material is familiar. for people who haven't, some of this ma

crow, chuck rosenberg here. i believe you were a member of neither the house intelligence nor the house judiciary committee. you watched those proceedings as a concerned and thoughtful member of congress. now as an impeachment manager, i mean this not as a criticism but as a dilemma. did the house move more quickly? should they have called more witnesses there? do you feel there is any lingering effects of those decisions, right or wrong, on the current proceeding? >> i think the house proceeded in the way that it should have proceeded. there was urgency, but it was also thoughtful and deliberate. it occurred over several months' period of time of time. the intel committee did a very, though, job, but there is some urgency here, right? because we're dealing with undermining free and fair elections, so it does have to do with the elections that are coming up later this year. there is obviously a very close national security tie. that's something i've been vocal about the entire year. back in september when i join

chuck rosenberg, your thoughts? >> i found this quite interesting.ut it is a couple of things. moving more quickly. not as repetitive and also beginning for the first time to see precisely what may be troubling senators on either side. some of the questions have been quite good, some of them open ended, help me. i don't understand what it is i need to do. what is the burden of proof? how do i think about the law here? what rules should i appellee. others are a bit more loaded, leading as we might say in court and less helpful. i think generally speaking adam schiff has done a very good job of arctic latting the legal and factual positions and i wanted to commend pat philbin, the deputy white house counsel. as maya and i were talking during the break, his position is a bit of a lemon. but he's squeezed a lot of juice out of it, making the best technical argument he could. i don't think he would prevail on it in court but that's what good lawyers do. they look for whatever they might have and if you don't have much you argue the heck out of it. >> ther

chuck rosenberg here, former senior official at the justice department and fbi. we're also joined by our friend eugene robinson, pulitzer prize winner from "the washington post." thank you all for being here tonight. it's good to have you here. hearing pat cipollone proposing a golden rule for impeachments and asking americans to join hands and imagine a time when there is no more impeachment. it was an odd ly -- it felt to e like he was joking, but i don't think that he was. that followed a lengthy presentation from alan dershowitz, which of course has been a highly anticipated part of this trial. obviously because of alan dershowitz's recent association with jeffrey epstein and his involvement in jeffrey epstein's legal defense, professor dershowitz was seen as a very controversial choice, and has spent a long time since he was naped to be part of this defense, defending himself in terms of involvement with jeffrey epstein. but his presentation is sort of professorial presentation tonight on the floor of the senate is that presidents can only be impeached for t

joining us back here in studio are donna edwards, maya wiley, joyce vance, chuck rosenberg. commenced, i think i'm looking at all of you, i think you and i have logged the most hours together, came when chairman nadler said the constitution is not a suicide pact. that just jolted me out of my chair. let's watch that and talk about it. we don't have that yet. >> let's talk about it anyway. >> just that language. what are they trying to do? feels like they're trying to grab everyone's attention. make sure that these long hours do not make any of those hundred senators in the chamber complacent or the viewing public. >> the genius behind the constitution of the united states is that it gives flex bltd. right? it is not a very details constitution. some states in our country have very detailed constitutions. go on for hundreds and hundreds of pages and clauses. ours is not. it is a framework. right? it's purposefully ambiguous or i should say sparse. probably a better word. that can be interpreted as needs arise. the phrase, for instance, high crimes and misdemeanors, is not ver

chuck rosenberg, a former fbi official and current msnbc analyst. of new york. also the white house chief correspondent hallie jackson on the hill. nbc capital correspondent kasie hunt. a lot going on, kasie, what did we learn in what the white house lawyers did not do this morning? and what are you looking forward to? >> reporter: well, art, this is expected. i think it's our -- we know they will not -- we often know that aren't any other motions that have been -- >> i'm going to jump in and say, kasie hunt who is having difficulties on the mic. we'll come back to kasie. hal hallie jackson, let's do a mic check for you. >> reporter: mic check, one, two, yes, i'm told by the defense teams, no motions at all, and any filing to basically say, hey, throw this case out right now. kind of a moot point because republicans in the senate didn't think they had the votes to do that anyway. and the legal team has apparently not made that determination. they want to get to that acquittal and get to it quickly. our hill team has also confirmed that the democrats

. >> joining us here in studio, maya wiley, eugene robinson, jason johnson, chuck rosenberg, and former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense jeremy bash is back. jeremy, let me start with you. we'll come back to schiff and everything we have seen but i want to start with news that broken this morning from abc news. they're reporting that a voice that appears to be the voice of donald trump ordered aides to get rid of marie yovanovitch after two now indicted rudy giuliani associates told him that she'd been badmouthing the president. the reporting from abc just stunning. but the point here seems to be that witnesses like lev parnas who either is heard in this recording are people that 70% of the public would like to hear from and when there's revelation after revelation after revelation much of this cited by the house managers in this morning's presentations from news organizations that brought the information to the public because of the stonewalling campaign, the obstruction case seems to prove itself. >> nicole, i think it would be another important branch and sequel to

three former prosecutors, maya wiley, paul butler, and chuck rosenberg. and we are joined by carlos car bello bringing insights into how the lawyers are operating and the whole process. he is of course a former florida congressman. good morning. >> good morning. >> chuck todd it has become commonplace to observe that aspects of this trial are repetitive. today is not repetitive, undeniably a new thing. what do you think we should keep our eyan as it kmapgs gears on the floor? >> ari, i have to say the one thing about -- we knew the broad outlines of the case that adam schiff and the team was going to put out. we followed it very closely. i don't know exactly the focus of the president's defense. are they going to, as all those fine lawyers like to say, try a different case? right? i heard steele dossier. are they going to go fisa courts, are they going to try just another case. are they going to refute some of the facts. jay sekulow made comments that there is nothing to see here, it is all constitutional. i think this is where there is risk for the presid

chuck rosenberg, joyce vance, david jolly, and maya wiley. let's go to geoff bennett.xt of this resolution that the senate body will vote on now is now out and it tracks with our reporting and what you just said. so we expect that after they do vote and adopt this resolution there will be a debate on four amendments. we are not sure how long that debate will last. we are told it won't last that long. then nothing is scheduled to happen this weekend. so those three senators, those three democratic senators running for president can go back to iowa and campaign. that's senator sanders, klobuchar, warren. monday at 11:00 a.m. eastern time closing arguments will convene. the house manage ergs wirs willt followed by the president's defense team. we expect that will be somewhere between four to six hours split evenly among them. tuesday you will see the public deliberations. the senators themselves standing on the floor of the senate. each senator getting 10 to 15 minutes to state his or her case where he or she stands on this issue of removing president trump from office. w

we're joined by chuck rosenberg, former justice department fbi official, former u.s. by mr. bondy. thank you for staying with us. >> thank you. in terms of the import of this tape, when mr. -- when president trump, mr. trump is exclaiming that he wants the ambassador gone, get her out, take her out, who is he talking to? we have -- this is the portion of the tape where this happens does not have a video component, audio recording, is he talking to your client, lev parnas and igor fruman? is he directing that instruction to somebody else in the room? >> i think he's talking to the whole room. i mean, it's the style of our president. there's a certain bombast about him, but first off, mr. parnas could never expect when he raises the subject matter that the president is going to say fire her, get rid of her, get her out of there. one would never expect the president to respond to your statement that way. i believe he's speaking as another aide of his in the room, mr. destefano, but we clearly hear the statement, and i note it's a statement that lev has talked about befor