ayannah presley of massachusetts and along with michael steele, former chairman of the rnc and chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official. i'm going to start with you, congresswoman. i want to first ask you. you went through this ordeal. we did not. i want to give you an opportunity to talk about what you experienced and how is your staff and how are you doing in the wake of it in? >> thank you, joy. it was a harrowing experience. they were terrorizing members of congress and all who work in the capitol, our staff. i was, for a period there, with my husband and my chief of staff on the ground in the dark with gas masks in our hand and the doors barricaded. >> and you know, we heard speaker pelosi talk about her staff hiding under a table. she showed that -- she showed the table on "60 minutes" and then, you know, they played back the banging on the door. i mean, it had to be terrifying. and i wonder how you feel in the wake of that. people like lee, a fellow member of congress, opposing impeachment and calling for

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so is chuck rosenberg, michael steele, former chair of the rnc. mr. rosenberg, let me start with you. one of the chief arguments as you know against impeachment has been there's simply not enough time. here we are a week away from the inauguration of joe biden. there's, of course, the holiday on monday. what say you to that argument that there's not enough time to impeach, then convict president trump? >> i have a couple of things to say to that. there's enough time. it requires that the house and the senate move a little more quickly. second, those who drafted our constitution didn't include a clause that said that a president can be removed for committing high crimes and misdemeanors unless time is running out. no such thing. i guess they could have put in that clause. the notion is that if a president is dangerous to the republic, and this president is, then he ought to be impeached and removed. i would point out -- it's my analogy. but it's like somebody driving drunk for four years who gets pulled over as they are a block away from their home and

>> chuck rosenberg, to all of you, just watching it alone, especially for thoses who lived through it, that is dramatic evidence. >> it is, indeed, andrea. it is dramatic evidence. to chuck schumer's point, senator schumer, it is, i believe, the most despicable act by a president of the united states ever. but that said, as a former federal prosecutor, it's not just what the president said on january 6th. and it's not just what his followers said after listening to him speak on january 6th. it's all of the things he said in the run-up to the election about there being an unfair system that was going to rob and cheat him. it's what he said immediately after the election when he called it a hoax and made arguments, spurious, of course, that the election was stolen from him. so as a prosecutor, you want to paint as broad a picture as you can. if you focus too narrowly, you open up a defense that the president didn't intend for his followers to go storm the capitol. but when you show all of the tapestry, all of the texture, all of the fabric of what this president did and what he said, ov

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i want to bring in michael steele and chuck rosenberg.n that very point, you know, i want to play just a little bit of some republicans, and this is sort of a before and after thing. these are republican senators james langford, representative jim jordan, and representative matt gaetz before and after the siege. >> constitutional crisis in our country right now is that millions of americans are being told to sit down and shut up. their opinions matter. >> this is a heated political moment. we've got to be able to bring volume down. speaker pelosi talking about, well, let's impeach the president with one week to go and to try to drive this is trying to drive a wedge further, is trying to make a difficult situation more difficult. >> we should do our duty. we should object to and vote for this objection to the arizona electors. now the democrats are going to try to remove the president from office just seven days before he's set to leave anyway. i do not see how that unifies the country. >> states that do not run clean elections should be s

for more on this, i am joined by the senior white house reporter for nbc news digital and chuck rosenbergior fbi official and an msnbc contributor. great to have you both with us. before we get to the topic of pardons, i want to ask you quickly about the vice president mike pence. his schedule tomorrow. will he be part of trump's sendoff in any way? >> well, a white house official tells nbc news that he is not expected to be joining the president at this ceremonial sendoff the president has choreographed for himself at andrews air force base tomorrow morning. now we do know the vice president is going to be attending the inauguration for biden. so it could present some sort of logistical security challenge to get from andrews back in time for the inauguration. so at this point our reporting indicates that no, the vice president will not be joining the president for any of his events tomorrow morning as far as we know. possibly they get together at the white house but nothing we can report on yet. >> for the next 21 hours or so, he does remain president, that is trump, he still has the pow

chuck rosenberg back with us. former u.s. attorney. former senior fbi official. also happens to be host of the msnbc podcast "the oath." and katie benner, justice department reporter for the "new york times," fresh off her big exclusive on trump's efforts to leverage the justice department to somehow change the election results. good evening and welcome to you all. peter, i would like to start with you and your beat. here is a quote in the "new york times" from roy blunt of missouri, republican senator who became a trumper voting 90% of the time with donald trump. "anybody surprised by that vote," the test vote in effect, "wasn't paying attention before yesterday." so in light of that, peter, for this and other reasons, is what i call the plea deal gaining traction, where you would censure the guy, you would say run along, take congresswoman qanon with you, go play golf, you can't run again, we don't want to see you again. >> yeah, look, there's a good question here as to whether a party line vote on conviction a second time will be meaningful or actually just em

attorney, and chuck rosenberg, also a former u.s. attorney and former fbi official.re delighted to have both of you as we have plenty of legal questions. let's start with a viewer named chuck. no, it doesn't get you to the top of the line if you have the same name as one of our guests but it doesn't hurt. chuck asks, if trump pardons all of the insurrectionists, leaves office and then is impeached and found guilty by the senate, can the pardons be overturned? i think that the answer is no, that the presidential pardon power is one of those absolute pieces of the presidency that is sort of grandfathered in, but what would you say? >> i agree with you, joshua. it is not quite absolute. the constitution itself puts at least two restrictions on it. it can only be for federal offenses and not in cases of impeachment. short of those two things, and now i'm talking to the other chuck who has a wonderful name, by the way, i don't think it matters if the president is impeached and convicted as long as the pardons were authorized and authored during his presidency, before he l

amazingly active investigation with a huge amount of evidence to sort through. >> we did hear, chuck rosenbergand it's hallie jackson here -- from the acting attorney general while i think everybody was sleeping, just after midnight i believe it was, a video was posted in which the attorney general basically warned against any sort of further incitement of violence, talked about the response after january 6th. a short video, obviously nobody around to throw questions to him, et cetera. how did you read that, chuck? what did you make of that as somebody who understands how the justice department works? >> well, you know, hallie, on one hand i'm glad that we finally heard from the attorney general of the united states, acting or not, whether or not there's a week left in his tenure it doesn't matter, we need to hear from the leadership of the department. that's a good thing. but to your point i'm really sorry that he didn't do it during the day and that he didn't take questions. we have lots and lots of questions. pete just outlined a whole bunch of them. i'm not expecting law enforcement to tel

attorney, and chuck rosenberg, a senior fbi official. both are msnbc legal analysts. we are so delighted to have the two of you. let's get you a question from a viewer named chuck. that doesn't get you to the front of the line but clearly it doesn't hurt. if trump pardons all the insurrectionists, leaves office and is impeached by the senate, account pardons be overturned? i think the answer is no, that the presidential pardon power is one of those kind of absolute pieces of presidency that is sort of grandfathered in, be what would you say? >> i agree with you, joshua. it's not quite absolute. the constitution itself puts at least two restrictions on it. it can only be for federal offenses, and it can't be for impeachment. as long as the pardons were authored in his presidency, they would be valid. >> and self-pardon. what happen do you think of the prospect for one? >> well, the law is delightfully ambiguous on the self-pardon topic. there is no clarity. and the better part of the argument is clear the president can't pardon himself. one of the principles of the rul

chuck rosenberg, terrific segment and great perspective. we'll be right back. >>> what the president-elect is going to do is where a need be to invoke the dpd, to do what they need. the feasibility of his goal is absolutely year. there is no doubt that that can be done. >> welcome back, that was part of my conversation with a very optimistic dr. anthony fauci yesterday. dr. fauci said his ambitious goal of 100 million vaccine doses in 100 days is speaking today. that is despite a sluggish effort so far. less than half of vaccines delivered have been administered. an average of 344 pea are dieing per day in the country. we're on the verge of 400,000 deaths. a grim milestone that is probably going to come today before inauguration. joining me now is dr. nikki pidelia. it was, look, i was happily surprised at the optimism from dr. fauci yesterday. it felt more like look, this is a large effort, some growing pains, it's all coming online. we have a better team coming in. are you optimistic? >> i am, we have very effective vaccines. that was a lielt of 2020 that we

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attorney and senior fbi official, chuck rosenberg. also the host of the msnbc podcast the oath.son. great to have you with us. as we mentioned, a vote scheduled to take place on wednesday. that leaves president trump with just seven days left in office. what is the case here to make impeachment go forward at this point? >> sure. there are a couple of reasons it makes sense to me even though president trump is on his way out. first incitement of a riot to undermine our democracy and attempting to thwart the electoral count is an astonishing bad act. so we have to condemn it in some way. and we're running out of ways to condemn it. he's already lost re-election. he's on his way out so congress has to do something. i think it is a close call. i understand the argument that he's leaving. but here's my second reason. if he were to be impeached in the house and convicted in the senate, the senate could also add an additional penalty. it doesn't always do it in cases of conviction and impeachment but it can. that second penalty would be to forever disqualify president trump from holdin

joining us is chuck rosenberg, the host of the oath podcast, chuck, thank you for being with us, at thisint at least 25 domestic terrorism cases have been opened as a result of the assault on the capitol. should there be a lot more? >> probably so, i mean, just looking at the video and listening to the accounts of people who are in that building that day, stephanie, lots of people were committing lots of crimes. and there's two things to keep in mind. we do have to move swiftly, swift is important, but we also have to be thorough and accurate. so i don't mind if law enforcement is being thorough and accurate. there's lots of video footage to review. there are lots of people who need to be interviewed. there will be more cases brought. i'm confident of that. let's do it as quickly as we can, but let's do it as accurately as we can. >> congressman jason crow said this morning that this is the birth of a domestic terrorist movement. do you agree with that? >> no, i think that was born a long time ago. this is another iteration of a domestic terrorist movement. by the way we need to get a lo

katyal, he literally wrote the book "impeach: the case against donald trump," and our dear friend chuck rosenberg, the host of the oath podcast. neal, as days go by more and more republicans are opposing the senate trial completely. it feels like the possibility of getting 17 republicans to convict is getting further and further out of reach. does that change what democrats should do going forward? >> i think it does. first of all, just remember, this trial, unlike the last one, stephanie, the democrats are in charge and they have the majority so they have the ability to craft some of the rules and actually have a real trial with witnesses, which didn't happen the last time around. and i think that the accusation here is a really simple one, it's on videotape for everyone to see, which is trump stoked an insurrection and we saw the consequences of it. and as senator romney said, if not for this, then for what? and yes, you're absolutely right that, you know, marco rubio and some others are moving into a world in which we're saying this trial is silly and so on, which is a really sad statement. i

i want to bring in chuck rosenberg, senior fbi official and served as counsel to attorney general john ashe croft. also, houston's police chief art acevedo, president of the major cities chiefs association. welcome and good morning to all of you. julia, let me start with you. what are you hearing from your sources about the potential for more arrests here. what's up? >> hallie, one justice department told me they see today as accountability day. for many of these federal agents they watched in horror as these events unfolded before they were brought in to respond to that siege at the capitol. unlike protests we saw this summer, the capitol police and the metropolitan police department for d.c. took control of this early on, said they didn't need the federal backup. you had agents from dhs, the justice department, the fbi, atf. those are people who go through and look for potential explosives. all of those people were kept back until the situation escalated and they were called in. now today we expect to see more arrests ifrt's hard. they're having to do this the day after, meaning it's

former missouri democratic senator claire mccaskill, chuck rosenberg, and former maryland democratic congresswoman donna edwards. thanks for being here. michael, let me start with you because we have heard -- excuse me, congressman edwards. we've heard republicans talk about not wanting to see this kind of accountability for president trump, not wanting an impeachment, right, other methods of accountability could be on the table. congressman edwards, we've also seen some republicans, five house republicans so far come out and say they would vote to impeach. that is not a landslide yet. that's not the floodgates, but it is certainly five more than what we saw last time the president was impeached when zero republicans voted for it. an independent was the only one. how do you see this unfolding in the next 2 1/2 hours from now? >> of course we've been talking about liz cheney and the import of her coming out publicly and that really scathing statement. i'll be curious to see how many of her colleagues she is able to bring along because i suspect that there will be some. and so, you kno

attorney and senior fbi official, chuck rosenberg. it's great to have you with us.or your time. walk us through explicit constitutional limits on a presidential pardon, especially when it comes to the subject of impeachment? can the president take any preemptive measures to prevent himself from facing this upcoming trial in the senate? >> right. so first on the impeachment question, there is a real interesting debate about whether or not a president can be tried in the senate after he has left office. right? he's been impeached in the house. can the senate hold a trial? and there is a legitimate debate about that. i think the best answer is yes and there is some precedent for that. in 1876, ulysses s. grant was president. his secretary of war was a fellow who resigned before he was impeached and then he was impeached in the house and tried in the senate. so it seems that it can happen but it is a fair and open question. i think the better answer is yes. >> we still don't have a time line from speaker pelosi on when she plans to deliver the articles of impeachment to

attorney, now an msnbc news law analyst, chuck rosenberg. >> chuck, what do we have as far as responsibilityters, responsibility for people like rudy giuliani inciting them by talking about marching up to the hill and engaging in combat justice. don jr. talking about or coming after you if you don't support my daddy. we're coming after you and it's going to be fun. >> you know, joe, i think there is a lot of people who can be charged. and i understand the desire for swift justice. there is a second value really important here, which is thorough justice. meaning, as quickly as we want to move because these people are dangerous and these people are vile and these people are criminals, we also want to make sure that we understand all of what happened, who said what. one of the hardest things, and i know joyce knows this, in any criminal case is to prove intent. by the way, those things you were just talking about, twitter and facebook, the platforms that these criminals used to advance their cause will also be a terrific source of evidence for prosecutors and investigators. so as quickly as i h