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president trump we have pete williams, hallie jackson, stuck around for us, and i want to bring in chuck rosenberg. chuck a former u.s. attorney, senior fbi official. he is now an msnbc contributor and host of a fantastic podcast. mr. williams, let's start with you. walk us through what we know about this grand jury and how a process like this typically works. >> okay. it will be a short walk, because we don't know a lot about this, because grand juries are secret. that's what prosecutors use. chuck can explain this better than i can. what we believe is the case here is that after using an existing grand jury to get subpoenas for last two years, now the d.a.'s office is empaneling a special grand jury that will focus on this case. that's about it. that's about all we know. we don't know exactly what they are investigating or who. we have a broad sense of what's under investigation. in terms of whether anybody faces indictment, we don't know. we know people they have been looking at. what this means, whether there will be potential charges or not, we don't know. it's a logical next step for the dis

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and chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and a former senior fbi official. notably, he's also the host of the msnbc podcast the oath. good evening and welcome to you all. eugene, i'd like to begin with you and your beat. we are going to do scattering around tonight. another big week in d.c.. you could argue we turned a corner on covid. you could argue the era of liz cheney and management and her party and the house is over. what have we learned from these twin dynamics playing out at exactly the same time? exactly th e same>> but we've learned whate continued to see that democrats have seemingly been interested in policy and making changes that way, and the republican party has been having this fighting played out that you played in your intro there. on the republican side of things, stefanik was saying this is about unity and now everyone can be unified. the problem is the unification is happening around ally and we talked to experts even people within the party that are in congress behind the scenes, they also have concerns about how and what that looks li

. >> and joining me now, chuck rosenberg, msnbc contributor and former u.s. r fbi official, chuck, good to see you, my friend. do you agree that donald trump is trying to give himself a legal out and if so, why would he need to do that? >> that's a great question, alex. i wouldn't be shocked if mr. trump was looking for a legal out. i think he spent much of his adult life looking for legal outs both civilly and criminally and tigers don't tend to change their stripes. i may have mangled that metaphor, but i think you know what i mean, and so i wouldn't put too much stock about into what mr. trump said. i certainly would not put too much stock into what mr. giuliani will say. what does matter is what evidence does the fbi sees. they had a warrant signed bu a federal judge and that's actually what matters. the stuff that is evidence and want what people say about evidence. >> your metaphor worked perfectly, my friend. he's been out saying investigators are out violating trump's attorney-client privilege. does it hinge on whether he acted on behalf of trump at th

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. >> rebecca roiphe is in manhattan, the office that is run by vance, a law processer, and chuck rosenberg is a senior official. they both join me now. rebecca, let me start with the work in the office. the significance of it and what it means. >> right, first, it's important to emphasize there was probably already a grand jury already. to issue a subpoena, the prosecutor needs to have a grand jury. so what it signifies, as i understand it, they moved beyond gathering information to actually presenting evidence to the grand jury. and those are two different phases. and that's important. because, you have grand juries to investigate tons of things. and many of those go to nothing. but once you go through, prosecutors have an obligation, and the ethical obligation is to have probable cause that a crime has been committed. but cy vance believes that a prosecutor should not enter a grand jury unless they have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that someone or something committed a crime. so my understanding, the way it was explained to me. they moved on to the evidence presenting phase, which

jonathan lamir, chuck rosenberg, former senior fbi official, also the host of the podcast "the oath" and fuel iter prize winning investigator with "the washington post." her book "zero fail" debuted at number two on "the new york times" best seller list. carol, i'd like to begin with you. when mitch mcconnell says, look, there are enough investigations going on into this. the last thing we need is an official commission on capitol hill, remind us the power an official commission would have as an investigative body, and what they might be able to answer. >> you know, brian, i think mitch mcconnell is probably focusing more on the midterms than actually the fact finding that could be accomplished by this commission. all you have to do is look to the 9/11 commission, right? five democrats, five republicans joined hands and said, this is so important, this attack on our democracy, on our country. basically a declaration of war. we will get to the bottom of how it happened. that investigation is different than the up's ongoing probe of various people who attacked law enforcement officers,

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i want to bring kerry sanders and chuck rosenberg. understand you were able to be in the courtroom for the top of this thing. you ran out to fill us in. what's the latest? >> i did. joel goldberg seated there identified himself. and investigator leslie hoffman began to see whether he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol in the last 48 hours that would influence him to come to a decision. he said no. then she got straight to it asking him whether he would consent to the plea agreement. this is the plea agreement. he said yes. they're going through each of the specific charges. it led to 33 charges. the one that he ultimately -- well, there are, let's see, six charges that he's pleading to. but the one that has the most attention, of course, is the sex trafficking of a child. it's alleged that joel greenberg, now he's admitting in court, he used a website to get girls to come to parties. at least in one case, an underage girl, 17-year-old who would go to various of these parties and get paid by joel greenberg, sometime with his o

assistant district attorney and that's the office that's a law professor at new york law school and chuck rosenberg as a former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official and they both join me now. rebecca, let me start with you as someone who worked in this office. your reaction to the news, the significance of it, what it means. >> right, so first of all it's important to emphasize that there was a grand jury already. in order to issue any subpoena the prosecutor needs to have a grand jury so what this reporting signifies at least in so far as i understand it is that they move beyond the phase of gathering information under the rear break of the grand jury to actually presenting evidence about the grand jury and those are two different phases and that's important. because you have grand juries to investigate tons of things and many of those and in nothing. if you go to the phase where you're actually presenting evidence before the grand juries and prosecutors have an obligation and the ethical obligation is to have at least probable cause that a crime has been committed but silences office has actuall

eugene daniels, janine zakaria, and chuck rosenberg, can't thank you enough for supplying our first conversation of tonight for the last night of this week. greatly appreciated. >>> just before we head to our first break here, word arrived late tonight of the loss of a longtime member of our on-air family. veteran nbc news space correspondent jay barbree has died. he covered mercury, gemini, apollo, and the shuttle. he witnessed all 166 launches. he knew a good many of the astronauts well, chief among them, allen shepherd, gus grisham, neil armstrong. he was the first to report the challenger explosion. he covered one subject, space, for the same company, nnbc, for 59 years until his retirement in 2017. our condolences to his family and the nasa family. jay barbree was 87 years old. >>> coming up when our broadcast continues tonight, republicans are eager to present a united front as they tried mightily too today, just don't look behind the curtain. >>> later, one day after the great unmasking, there happens to be great confusion. it's why we have a doctor on standby. all of it as the "the 11th

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in their investigative efforts as suggested by former dea administrator and fbi chief of staff chuck rosenberg. attorney general barr said recently in reference to his role and lead prosecutor in the 1995 oklahoma city bombing case quote, i have a chance to lead a department that needs to fight against domestic violence extremists so that the tragedy we had in oklahoma doesn't occur unquote we on the sub 20 want to help the department of justice in this fight issue that we welcome executive assistant director jill sanborn leads the fbi and the national security branch and she is a veteran of the efforts to deal with terrorism at home and abroad and was the first woman to lead the fbi counterterrorism directorate. deputy assistant attorney general brad represents the national security division which was established in 2006 and consolidate the apartments primary national operation and to ensure that federal counter intelligence and counterterrorism activities do not violate the law. today, so that we are all on the same page in describing the musick terrorism we will use the definition the fbi p

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