msnbc contributor, chuck rosenberg, former u.s.ttorney and senior fbi official, and dave aronberg, state attorney for palm beach county. dave, take us into what we've seen so far inside the courtroom. this is some intense back and forth, and the judge is not very happy. >> no, they really should have cameras in the courtroom, jose. this is ridiculous. what are they trying to hide? we need a more transparent judicial process because there's going to be so much information spread about what really went on. i know chris kise, trump's lawyer, he was a former solicitor general of florida, well-respected. he is no political hack, so when he gets up and says that donald trump is the former and future president of the united states, he's clearly playing to an audience of one. they know that trump's goose is cooked in this case. he's losing this case in front of judge engoron, they're playing for the appeal. that's what all this stuff is about. >> so how do you play for the appeal when much of this is really about other things? i mean, the

attorney and msnbc legal analyst chuck rosenberg. thank you so much for joining me this evening as we are all trying to make sense of this. so, i just wanted to, start you listened to the hearings, what was your biggest take away from it? >> it's exactly what he said, this is a clash of core values. the first amendment on one hand, which is not absolutely that a judge dearie thing to empower a fair trial. these two things may be and conflict because of trump's rhetoric. >> there is a line of questioning today of what trump is allowed to say, in cutting witnesses like mark milley and mike pants who are public figures sort of one of the points of our discussion. what did you make of that discussion today, million pants are also witnesses. let me say a word about >> that i was a prosecutor for a long time, and prosecutors are important, defense attorneys are important, judges are important we are talking about a trial it is very core, very her the two most important groups of people. the jurors, and the witnesses. jurors are unique to a

. >> i also want to bring in chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official. chuck, look, he is the same person. the one thing about donald trump is he's been remarkably consistent over the years in believing that he is this person, this sort of aura of a trump golden image that he has created. having said that, so much, as is rightfully pointed out and as i read it was political here. legally what did you hear from inside that courtroom today? >> so he is the same person, chris, but he's in an environment that is not conducive to the type of person he is. it plays well as political theater, but in court it works very differently. one side asks you questions, and you answer them with evidence that's relevant and admissible. and then, in mr. trump's case, if you didn't make the points you wanted to make or you don't feel the right questions were asked, your lawyers get to ask you questions and you answer them with evidence that's relevant and admissible. in other words, there's a procedure, and this man is not very good at procedure. so what did i hear? i heard

i want to bring in chuck rosenberg, former u.s. ll as an msnbc contributor. it's good to see you, chuck. it was just last month, i think, that trump's defense team argued that the special counsel had not provided some of the most basic discovery in the case, and it took four months for other material to be handed over. what's going on here? could this be grounds for the judge delaying the trial? >> possibly. i mean, the government, the prosecutors have an absolute obligation, as you know, chris, to provide information to a defendant so that he or she can prepare their defense. sometimes that process is protracted or cumbersome, particularly so when you have classified information. the trial judge originally set a date for trial for next may, may of 2024, which seems to me and certainly seemed at the time to be completely reasonable. the trump defense team will argue that they need more time, and we'll see whether or not she is willing to grant them more time, but it still seems to me that that trial date should hold. it may not. >>

attorney and senior fbi official and current msnbc contributor, chuck rosenberg. we have talked about the mood in the courtroom, the fact that letitia james is sitting in the front row. one of donald trump's attorneys in the separate hush money case being brought, of course, by the manhattan d.a. could be heard laughing in the second row of the courtroom today as she observed and took notes. first of all, is there something that she could gain by watching this trial? something she could learn by watching donald trump in this? what do you make of the fact that she found it amusing? >> not much of that, chris. laughing in a courtroom is seldom prompt, certainly not from lawyers in the gallery, so what could she learn, what could she gain? theoretically, and i think it's only theoretical, if any lawyer who defending mr. trump in a criminal case is entertaining the idea of putting him on the stand in his own defense, which i think would be ill-advised and generally speaking is extraordinarily rare, they may want to watch and see how he does on the stand. they may also

and chuck rosenberg.ccountants did it, is that convincing or compelling? >> not a good defense, because accountants rely on information from their clients. if the information is false the tax returns are going to be false because the client gave false information. trump's testimony yesterday did nothing to help his case, he was speaking to his base, to appease his base, but nothing he said helped his case. >> what about the his tonics, back and forth with the judge, turning to mr. trump's attorneys saying get control of this guy or i will. the attorneys have no control over donald trump. how does that play into the outcome of what we're seeing here? >> first, it was not a jury trial, if the jury had been in that courtroom the judge would have shut him down, you can't hear jury hear inadmissible evidence. at the beginning the judge was engaging and getting upset, at one point, et let him go, he's the judge and he's the trier of the fact, so if donald trump wants to annoy the judge let him do it. >> and mik

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. >> chuck rosenberg, let's talk about that. it's unclear, is this performance art?? there's no way to really tell that. >> it could be a little bit of both. but either way, it's not helping him in court. and either way, it seems to be helping him outside of court. mr. trump is quite good at speaking to his base. almost regardless of who he attacks, as long as he's attacking somebody, they seem to rally around him. i don't know how long that trail is and whether it will end, but right now he's losing in court, but winning i think where he considers it to be the most important, the venue that he is going to be really contesting next. and that's for the presidency of the united states. >> andrew and chuck, this isn't your venue, but it's a big week in politics. we've got elections in new jersey and importantly in virginia tomorrow, and we've got the nbc debate wednesday night without donald trump. but he's going to be doing counterprogramming. andrew, a lot at stake, a lot on his mind. he's claiming he can't campaign because he's stuck on trial. >> well, let's just rem

chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi attorney and former investigative council for the january 6th house committee. we saw those live images inside the courtroom. we aren't allowed to have cameras inside the courtroom during the actual testimony. i understand, vaughn, trump spoke moments ago before he walked into the courthouse. start us off there in mann with what the president, former president is saying this morning and what we can expect today. >> reporter: good morning, ana. i'm watching the same feeds you guys are inside the courthouse. donald trump just walked into the courtroom ahead of what will be several hours of him facing questions on the stand. letitia james is here in person. whether she asks any questions to donald trump directly is outstanding. so far she's left it up to other prosecutors in her office to ask the questions of witnesses on the stand. i want you to listen to letitia james before she headed into the courtroom. >> before he takes the stand, i am certain that he will e