i want to start with you, chuck wexler. someone who has studied the police, has seen time and again police found not guilty in cases like this, cases where someone died. how are you reacting right now? >> well, you know, this case was a defining moment for policing. this was so egregious, the use of force here was so clear and so clear-cut, that, for the last 11 months, first of all, you know, the condolences go to the floyd family, number one, but for every working cop that saw that video, over and over again, nine minutes, they thought to themselves, what was that cop thinking? and that's taken a toll on the country,eth taken a toll on the minneapolis community, and communities all across the country. i think there's not a police chief, a cop i know of that didn't want this police officer found guilty. i mean, it was so egregious and so bad in so many ways. but i think this is a turning point because i think what you saw in minneapolis in the trial is you saw the police chief, you saw the most senior homicide person, you

judy: chuck wexler, will policing change after this? k: i think it is going to take a lot of work. i know people are motivated to change. this is a defining moment, this entire year, but we need to really be tough and be tough on ourselves. we need to be prepared to look at these videos and say, what could we do differently? i worry about, who do we want to be the cops of the future? when you are in a crisis, there's nothing better than a good cop and nothing worse than a bad cop. i believe today was a defining moment. justice prevailed, but i think we've got our work cut out for us. judy: from your perspective, how do you s the work that lies ahead? what are the next steps that need to come after this verdict? janai: we need to work on two tracks. we need to work on police accountability because police are not going away tomorrow. they are with us for the near future. while they are continuing to work in our communities, we need to make sure they are treating everyone fairly, that they are not engaging in wanton violence, and that they

. >> chuck wexler is the executive director of the police executive research form. he developed icat. put plainly, the training encourages officers to create distance and buy time by speaking with the subject rather than shouting commands while pointing a gun. are officers skeptical when you implement this training? >> oh yeah. when we first implemented this training, the first thing cops would say is you're going to get cops hurt. what's happened is cops haven't gotten hurt, people's lives have been saved and careers have been saved. >> we teach them to recognize threat levels, to differentiate between a possible threat and an imminent threat. at the end of the day, the most important thing is to place a tremendous value on the sanctity of life and we believe our community has responded in a way that has really helped us drive down violence. >> reporter: at the washington state police academy, they too are emphasizing deescalation over force, moving away from military-style training. >> that's moving away from the military model of training police officers like you

chuck wexler is the head of the police executive research forum and here's how he responded. do you really think you can stand up to law enforcement and threaten them? do you really think that's going to work? we never forgot that she stood with us when it mattered. that's the reason for her support from law enforcement. she stood with them when it mattered. and to say that she is such a radical and so against law enforcement and disdains those who disagree with her, which would presumably be law enforcement, if she is is such n anti-law enforcement radical, as my colleagues single, is completely blown to smithereens by their continued support for her. not disdain. she stood with us when it mattered. so with that effort to blow her up exploded in her face, colleagues went after an op-ed that she authored nine years ago in which she supported decriminalization and defelonization of simple possession of small amounts of drugs. it could be read to say decriminalization of marijuana, other drugs small amounts. well, we know altitude about substance abuse that we didn't know then,