about working for the march of dimes or whatever it was and started working with a photographer, chuck willis. his dark darkroom man was phil moore, the man i had been married to for 30 years. it ended up to be a real witty proposition for me, and that work led to what my first page, if you want to call it that, was for "jet" magazine. i got $5 a week and that's because the bay bridge toll was 25 cents, and that was to cover to getting to san fransisco to cover events. for that, i got a job working for a black weekly newspaper, and that's where i learned a lot. my editor was a former ap reporter who spent 18 years in the far east. he just had a problem with too many drinks and finally after 18 years, ap sent him home and no one would hire him but the owner of a black weekly newspaper, and i was his only staff member, so i learned to do everything, you know, write headlines, pick up the copy, the ads, proof shoots, whatever it took to get this little newspaper published. it was while there when i had one the greatest surprise. i think of it now as a fun event in my life. while working there, o

working for the march of dimes or whatever it was and started to work with a photographer named chuck willis. his darkroom man was with bill moore, the man i'd been married to for 46 years. [laughter] so that was -- [applause] so what started out as trying to help others turned into a real winning proposition for me. and that work led to my first page -- if you want to call it that -- was for "jet" magazine as a stringer. i got $5 a week, and can that was because the bay bridge toll was 25 cents, so that was to coffer getting to san francisco to cover events. and for that i got a job working for a black weekly newspaper. and that's where i learned a lot. my editor or was a former ap reporter who'd spent 18 years in the far east. he just had a problem with too many drinks. and finally after 18 years, ap sent him home, and no one would hire him but the owner of a black weekly newspaper. and i was his only staff member. so i learned to do everything, you know, write headlines, pick up the copy, pick up the safeway ads, bring back the proof sheets, whatever it took to get that little newspaper p

chuck's automobile of concord. it is " follow me home " to the segment. a baseball special. and vern? >> arizona, and williese we vern. >> gary: and when he calls to pee-wee? do you say something? >> vern: and i sat down with a little bit for him and here it is. >> gary: okay. >> vern: on any day, you could run into the willie mays. he could be the critical famer. add with ted williams, saying that he invented the game before willie mays. he played the midsummer classic 24 times. he is not only the greatest living ballplayer. but i do not like hearing that. and i said wait a minute. and i have to be passed away before i am getting credit? >> vern: a world series in 1954. he only lost to the yankees in seven games. i asked him have so the loss of the world series title. >> if you look at what they did and how they did it? it was not... it was old style. everybody did something good. a showstopper, a home run, abc it, it's something to do something. an outfielder would come in to do something. -a base hit. that was a sign of a good ball club. >> vern: his guts on, barry bonds. >> i've not spoken to bear- his