convert the church of england? has been baptised converted to been baptised and converted to christianity , does the church of christianity, does the church of england make any attempt to checkif england make any attempt to check if that asylum seeker continues to be a practising christian? the church of england is flat out refusing to answer any of those questions. they want to. palmer's off with this statement . this want to. palmer's off with this statement. this is want to. palmer's off with this statement . this is clearly a statement. this is clearly a shocking and distressing incident, and our thoughts and prayers are with all of those affected by it. as we have said, it is the role of the home office and not the church to vet asylum judge the asylum seekers and judge the merits their individual cases merits of their individual cases . well, if you are concerned about this issue , then if you about this issue, then if you feel like it , why not about this issue, then if you feel like it, why not email or writ

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he has of the church of england. n of running a been accused of running a conveyor belt for illegal immigrants asylum immigrants to fake asylum claims. include claims. these include allegations of mass asylum seeker baptisms and members of the clergy vouching for illegal immigrants, one of whom blew himself outside a maternity himself up outside a maternity hospital . the hospital in liverpool. the church of england under justin church of england underjustin welby stands accused of coaching clergy to help fake asylum seekers concoct claims that allow them stay in britain. allow them to stay in britain. these asylum seekers are almost always from muslim countries and therefore by extension , the therefore by extension, the church of england finds itself in the bizarre position of being accused accelerating the accused of accelerating the islamification britain and islamification of britain and being fundamentally dishonest. at same time, claims the at the same time, claims the church denies all of this has taken place

church, as well as other religious leaders. e is, of course, supreme governor of the church of england, takes a keen interest in the workings of and yes, we've just had the first reaction from the church of england a short while ago. i spoke to the archbishop of york, stephen cottrell. obviously it's come as a bit of a shock. we all knew that the king had a prostate condition that was being dealt with. but this is something else. and we don't quite know what it is. nor should we. in a way. this is, first of all, a private matter for him and for his immediate family. but of course, he is the king, someone whom we love and care for. so my reaction is one of prayerful concern, prayerful hopefulness that this has been diagnosed early and will be treatable. so i'm praying for him. and as you'd imagine, the advice from the archbishop of york for those around the country concerned about the king's health is to pray for the king as well. what about the other faiths? well, i mean, i talked about how much interest the king takes in the workings of the church of england. he's well known for taking a huge interest in people of other faiths

now, on the role that the church of england is playing in this. you know, is there not an irony here about church an irony here about the church of parish of england dwindling parish numbers? on numbers? okay. sitting on billions pounds worth of billions of pounds worth of resources, certain parishes resources, but certain parishes are they're skint to are saying that they're skint to the point some people who the point where some people who work in parishes even work in the parishes even consider i consider taking strike action. i mean, last time i went to an mean, the last time i went to an anglican church was a few months ago, and the talk there, the collection was for the local migrant hotel. there were people sitting in the back who were clearly middle east, clearly from the middle east, and whether the and i just wonder whether the church has got its priorities right here. >> judges have got their priorities right . the church of priorities right. the church of england is a broad church. you can my church and see can come to my church and se

the church of england seekers. ms or even at gay clubs to say that they'd be persecuted if they were sent home. the quotes are this right in one instance, a male claimed that he was gay, only to drop the assertion halfway through his asylum interview because so interview because he felt so disgusted idea . in one disgusted by the idea. in one interview, the claimant insisted that he was being persecuted in his home country due to his political beliefs. i asked him to the leader of his to name the leader of his nation's opposition party and he couldn't answer. he asked for a break and came back ten minutes later, knowing everything about the political situation in remarkable, isn't it the whistleblower says the home office is hostile to those who speak up internally. unless their complaint is about diversity or discrimination or some other civil service obsession. the default is now to err on the side of accepting people. that's important and say the default is now. to err on the default is now. to err on the side of

alison >> uh, it's just in welby, in the church of england for permitting baptism to be used as a ruseosed to be looking after, which is the british people. >> i've got to be honest, i think i was going to take some beating tonight, come beating tonight, but come on, sean union sean neil kinnock ask my union jack the wildlife and jack ass is the wildlife and countryside of 80 countryside link a group of 80 members, including the world wildlife fund and rspca , and wildlife fund and rspca, and also the national trust, who say the country side is racist. >> i'm so offended . as a black >> i'm so offended. as a black man born and bred in this country make my country, i made sure i make my children holiday country country, i made sure i make my chimuch holiday country country, i made sure i make my chimuchholpossible. country country, i made sure i make my chimuch holpossible. i country country, i made sure i make my chimuch holpossible. i walktry country, i made sure i make my chimuch holpossible. i walk the as much as possible. i walk the length breadth of this length and breadth of this

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question of the genocidal siege of gaza, have look, today we are uh seeing the general senor of the church of england, the governing body of the anglican church, which is meeting to discuss various items of the agenda, but i'm shocked of item which absolutely topical, the question of gaza, and it suffering is not being discussed, and we are here to ask for sinon to for officially not just for a sist fire a permanent his fire and also to speak out about this guestry butchery which is happening children over 1000 children have died and many more are suffering of starvation, illness and everything else and so we see sinod and there are actually quite a few christians not just in gaza but also on the west bank and we expect the scena to speak out um i want to um to to with other christian people who are asking archbishop welby why, when this is a crucial meeting of the senate of the church of england, he chooses not to have the war in gaza on the agenda. the action was organized by the non-politically aligned group campaign. here's more. uh, we think that the problem, the biggest problem consists of what

today we are uh seeing the general senor of the church of england, the governing body of the anglican church. which is meeting to discuss various items of the agenda, but i'm shocked of item which absolutely topical, the question of gaza and it suffering is not being discussed, and we are here to ask the senor to ask for officially, not just for a sist fire or a permanent fire, and also to speak out about this guestry butchery which is happening, children over 10, those children have died and many more are suffering of starvation, illness and everything else, and so the senor, and we are actually quite a few christians uh, not just in gaza, but also on the west bank, and we expect the sena to speak out. um, i want to um to to be with other christian people who are asking archbishop welby, why, when this is a crucial meeting of the senate of the church of england, he chooses not to have the war in gaza. on the agenda. the action was organized by the non-politically aligned group campaign. here's more. uh, we think that the problem, the biggest problem consists of what happened in the h

church of england are liars. the church of england are liars. rch of england are liars. why don't people just liars. and why don't people just get to it? like all of get used to it? it's like all of our all of our. it's not my institution, but all the institutions have institutions of state have proven don't proven to not be. they don't care about this country. yeah, they their marching orders. they take their marching orders. >> make really good >> so you make a really good point, let's put it point, louis. but let's put it this plays devil's this way. plays devil's advocate. if they if he advocate. yeah. if they if he were genuinely a christian and sent country sent back to his country where he from and he were he came from and he were genuine, and they turned around and you're christian, and said, you're christian, we're you. yeah. we're going to kill you. yeah. would fair? would that be fair? >> you know what the fact is that we know that he was lying. no, no, i that but would that be fair? you know what? it would be fair? you know what? it w

um, the have got the church of england have got some questions some very serious questions to answer.hat official document has that an official document has made reference to church of made reference to how church of england vicars can approach asylum cases where somebody has been refused asylum, and that is not acceptable . there are big not acceptable. there are big questions to ask and you know, justin welby simply talking to high falutin terms about morality doesn't answer any pubuc morality doesn't answer any public policy concerns . public policy concerns. >> but james, doesn't this go far beyond the church of england . and these conversions, even because if the law as it is , because if the law as it is, allows lawyers to claim that there that an asylum seeker has converted to christianity and therefore has to stay in the uk, surely that's an issue with the law or the legal profession ? law or the legal profession? >> well, the question is, do we want to have an asylum system where people, for various reasons , are able to be granted reasons, are able to be granted asylum in th

i think we live in a time of supreme arrogance where the church england thinks it's church of englandng to be okay to let in millions of people from another religion actively and religion who actively and admittedly and deeply hate them and hate this country, and what, what, what has stood they want to they burn churches down in france. >> i mean, it's insane to think that there is going to be some kind of, uh, meeting of minds and some sort of i think the church possibly think church of england possibly think that elevation islam will that the elevation of islam will maintain in the proposition that that religion has a role to play in the modern world. that's interesting that they're so desperate in any desperate for religion in any kind of religion. >> they all religion is >> they think all religion is the same because they're with team which everybody , team world, which is everybody, kumbaya. we're getting along kumbaya. we're all getting along funnily the, the funnily enough, the, uh, the african churches is the church of england in africa are the pretty much the only ones that a

the archbishop of canterbury has admitted that, since taking office, attendance at the church of englanded by 15%. in the 10 years to covid, the number of baptisms in the church of england has fallen from 140,000 a year to 87,000, so christianity in the u.k. seems to be on the wane, unless, apparently, you are from a muslim country in the middle of an asylum claim. we are now told that one in seven occupants of the bibby stockholm has suddenly become a practicing christian. given that the church of england has now issued secret guidance to clergy supporting asylum applications for these damascene conversions, to whom is the church accountable? and are taxpayers being scammed by the archbishop? >> when it comes to illegal migrants, we need to have a system whereby, if someone comes here illegally, they should not be able to stay. my right honorable friend the home secretary has asked for more information about the extent to which migrants converting to christianity is playing a role in our asylum system. more generally, under our illegal migration act, anybody entering the u.k. illegally

because if they want to join the church of england of all churches , of course they all churches, of are not genuine. who would church in would want to church? church in england are so empty? islamic, islamic terrorists, even though unlike in france, they don't even bother attacking them. no not even the english want to go to the church by the to the church of england. by the way, february, way, today, 11th of february, i understand, the anniversary understand, is the anniversary of king henry the eighth. the declaring himself leo and i were just talking about that before we coming out this is this is a church created, you know, from the real church, which was founded saint peter in the founded by saint peter in the eternal city of rome. this church happened because church just happened because henry the eighth wanted to go through wives like taylor swift goes boyfriends. all goes through bad boyfriends. all right. guys come here right. and these guys come here and. the priest says, yeah, and. and the priest says, yeah, ihave and. and the priest says, yeah, i have baptised hundreds of

and that includes the church of england. l christian values in favour of this unholy trinity of diversity, equity and inclusion . and i'll say one inclusion. and i'll say one thing, bev, that this politics of victimhood, it doesn't go down very well with conservative ethnic minority parties. so contrary to this view that it will attract and diversify um, anglican congregations . i think anglican congregations. i think that could actually alienate it could alienate traditional minded , family oriented ethnic minded, family oriented ethnic minorities who really value a traditional christian message. >> um , i would just like to hear >> um, i would just like to hear a bit more often reiki bishops talking about christianity , talking about christianity, talking about christianity, talking about christianity, talking about their pastoral duty . duty. >> no, absolutely. i i couldn't agree more. and i think that's actually fed into the decline in christian devotion that, in my view, back in 2001 over seven, in ten residents, uh, ide

church and do exactly the same thing. i think deeply thing. i think it's deeply concerning of a church concerning the role of a church of in relation the of englandn to the immigration debate, in terms of the we've seen the specific examples we've seen that helping people that have been helping people game terms of a game the system in terms of a home office, the problem is a lot of it is the human rights framework which we're framework within which we're operating. and i think, frankly, it those big it until we make those big changes, i think we're going to continue to struggle. >> and do think i have come to >> and i do think i have come to the conclusion time ago, the conclusion some time ago, for i think we for example, that i think we should european should leave the european convention of human rights. >> that is we will >> i think that is we will eventually end up leaving it. um, that's prediction. i'd um, that's my prediction. i'd rather sooner rather than later. >> i've heard a rumour swirling around that there around westminster that there could throw could be an attempt to throw that onto general that question onto the general action t

with the church of england is that haemorrhaging faithful in. >> sore they're sort of desperate, aren't they really. so they're making easy. um, so they're making it easy. um, i think, you know, the church of england has, has, has, has lost so many . the attendances are so many. the attendances are down, uh, churches are empty and maybe they see this as a fantastic opportunity to get some more followers. i mean, if they really are converting to christianity, that's a good christianity, then that's a good thing, a thing, because christianity is a very , nice, very pleasant, nice, kind religion. you know, religion. yeah. and you know, generally speaking, i, i think that's a good thing. but it's , that's a good thing. but it's, it's what you do you have to do is question the motives . because is question the motives. because with this guy, the man who threw the face of the the acid in the face of the woman and two children, that's not a very christian thing to do. absolutely not. if you do. absolutely not. so if you are christian, i don't think are a chr

of england is still the church of england is still the established um , is the establishedis declining at a rate of knots . declining at a rate of knots. the last time i went to church and enjoyed myself was not in britain. okay, well, you must come to the old right mast, which is much more fun and properly done. >> and you get brompton oratory at on sunday. that will at 9:00 on sunday. so that will that true faith. that will show true faith. anyway you very much, sue. anyway thank you very much, sue. um, and of religious um, and speaking of religious matters, evening's matters, for this evening's denouement, want to put you denouement, i want to put you a biblical riddle out of the eater came something to eat and out of the strong came something sweet . the strong came something sweet. the answer explained in the answer is explained in judges chapter 14, which i expect most of you will know. it was when samson killed a young male found honey, bees male lion and found honey, bees and its corpse . but why and honey in its corpse. but why is relevant? well you may is this rel

of england is still the church of england is still the established um , is the establishedis declining at a rate of knots . declining at a rate of knots. the last time i went to church and enjoyed myself was not in britain. okay, well, you must come to the old right mast, which is much more fun and properly done. >> and you get brompton oratory at on sunday. that will at 9:00 on sunday. so that will that true faith. that will show true faith. anyway you very much, sue. anyway thank you very much, sue. um, and of religious um, and speaking of religious matters, evening's matters, for this evening's denouement, want to put you denouement, i want to put you a biblical riddle out of the eater came something to eat and out of the strong came something sweet . the strong came something sweet. the answer explained in the answer is explained in judges chapter 14, which i expect most of you will know. it was when samson killed a young male found honey, bees male lion and found honey, bees and its corpse . but why and honey in its corpse. but why is relevant? well you may is this rel

so he's a whistleblower within the church of england. nd naive , is the church of england naive, turning a blind eye to what is happening? i know a great many churches, some within my own diocese, that will grant someone a conversion , often afterjust a conversion, often after just one bible reading and a chat with the vicar. then be invited to come along the following sunday and baptised and of sunday and be baptised and of course, we know what's behind all this is that somebody all this is that if somebody changes to christianity, they can claim that the country they're going back to would be very dangerous. them and some countries they go back to, it's actually crime become an actually a crime to become an apostate and their lives could be danger. and that's what we be in danger. and that's what we believe is making this a racket rather than a genuine desire to become christian. >> in scarlet, what do you make of this? it's got very strong opinions, as usual, on this one, and i seem to be a point. >> i think it's really interesting, is

canterbury, the moderator of the general assembly of the church of scotland, the archbishop of york, scotland's catholic bishops, the catholic bishops of englandengland's house of bishops, the muslim council of britain, the quakers, the leaders of the methodists of the united reformed church, the lutheran world federation, the un secretary—general, the un general assembly president, unicef, the world food programme, the world health organization, save the children and medecins sans frontieres, oxfam, action aid, international rescue committee, action against hunger, care international, medicalaid action against hunger, care international, medical aid for palestinians, the council for arab— british understanding, in islamic relief, christian aid, war on want, the carter centre, war child, unite the carter centre, war child, unite the union, unison, the kings centre, world vision, wateraid, tearfund, street child, star network, please direct, and scores and scores more of churches, ngos, charities and individuals who have seen israel completely abandon international humanitarian law by imposing their collective punishment on a defenceless civili

she church of she said that the church of england fuelling england were fuelling fake asylum yesterdayry said that during her tenure she became aware of churches around the country facilitating industrial scale bogus asylum claims . charlotte, i was reading claims. charlotte, i was reading earlier on because actually i was going to originally lead the show with with this story , but show with with this story, but i've got a scoop that i'm going to make you wait for tomorrow for. but part of was around for. but part of it was around europe going as far back as 2016, when they were seeing even mass baptisms of people from muslim countries on the continent . and you think there's continent. and you think there's a certain naivety here? surely when it comes to certain religious figures across the continent, i think that people really are seriously converting to christianity for any reason other than to try and stay in europe, think. europe, i think. >> well, think you're being >> well, i think you're being very generous to say naivete, because clearly that's a red flag. if you're suddenly

world very few countries in the world that you up as a member that if you turn up as a member of church englandh of england, you are to be tortured or put are going to be tortured or put to death because of that. i agree, and it should therefore be completely be kept completely separate to any they're making. um, any claim they're making. um, which on which should be done on the normal grounds and normal legal grounds and religion shouldn't into religion shouldn't come into it. >> think that's part of >> i think that's that's part of the issue. you know, we've got this wider asylum, you know, access issue, know, the access issue, you know, the migration process, asylum migration process, the asylum seeking process . it's completely seeking process. it's completely flawed. you know , it barely flawed. you know, it barely works. it barely function . and works. it barely function. and it's just part of a wider failure of this conservative government. you know, we've had five home secretaries in five years. they're clearly not serious about these kind of issues. otherwise they wouldn't they has bee

this the church of england's all this, and england's role in all this, and not the of england, not onlyl, baptist churches right uh, churches and the like. right uh, which is the one connected with ezedi , right? ezedi, right? >> or. >> or. >> no, they have a role and they have chosen to say we are all god's people. >> and then when this goes wrong, then they say, oh, it's the home office . the home office. >> i'm afraid they are led by the archbishop of canterbury, who stands up constantly and says, boat people come on over and on that basis, if they want preferment within the church of england, then the way to get it is obviously to baptise people. >> should victims of asylum seekers who've converted to christianity and then gone on to commit crimes and where they've used their conversion to christianity as the basis to stay in country , be able to stay in the country, be able to sue welby? well that is sue justin welby? well that is a very good idea. >> and i think they should definitely. well, real definitely. well, the real question real question is question is the real question is

and other the church of englandchurch of england and other christithemselves have the church of england and other christithemselves ridiculous and made themselves ridiculous and watered by allowing things watered down by allowing things like people, as they like this and as people, as they say it wouldn't. other say here, it wouldn't. no other religion would this. religion would do this. >> imagine this in >> no way. imagine this in a mosque on friday. mosque on a friday. >> happening. no. all >> yeah. not happening. no. all right, the independent. right, let's do the independent. and unexpected downside of and the unexpected downside of connecting your toothbrush to the louis the internet. louis >> millions of hacked >> yeah. millions of hacked toothbrushes used swiss cyber toothbrushes used as swiss cyber attack report says. and this is there was a big distributed denial of service, which was plugging into the into the chip that every electric. i'm assuming it's an electric toothbrush. >> well, first of all, do yo

of diversity, eqlsadly. so church ly correct. with the religion of diversity, eqlsadly. so church ly england >> sadly. race action plan put forward by pro blm . bishop. this was right blm. bishop. this was the right reverend who rose hudson—wilkin , reverend who rose hudson—wilkin, who said the church needs to further embed racial justice as if that's even possible at this point. how much more embedded could racial justice be in the woke church england ? and, um, woke church of england? and, um, all nonsense about all this nonsense about diversity and other people have piped up one one woman, the reverend rachel webley, came and said that she was a recovering racist. how ridiculous do these people sound? and this other person , daniel matovu, he said, person, daniel matovu, he said, you white folks have no idea. particularly those of you who are white, male, heterosexual and he said. and not disabled, he said. you've only been small you've only been given small sticks carry with which to sticks to carry with which to beat of so just beat the rest of us. so just disgusting, racist garbage. and as you s

church of england bishops? because be a church because you used to be a church of priest. priest. i wondered what of the various what you made of the various interventions have been interventions that have been made bishops, not only over made by bishops, not only over the rwanda bill, but also, we the rwanda bill, but also, as we learn recent case of learn in this recent case of bishops getting involved in saying asylum seekers are saying that asylum seekers are being are facing the threat of persecution because they have converted christianity , only converted to christianity, only for to prove to be not to for that to prove to be not to be true. and actually it's allowed quite dangerous people to remain this country. to remain in this country. should bishops butt mr should bishops butt out, mr bryant . if i . should bishops butt out, mr bryant. if i . can should bishops butt out, mr bryant . if i . can separate out bryant. if i. can separate out the two different issues. >> first of all, i think i welcome bishops taking part in the political debate. i welcome anybody wh

by 15, and england has dropped by 15, and in the ten years to covid, the number of baptisms in the church40,000 a to 87,000. so 140,000 a year to 87,000. so christianity the uk seems to christianity in the uk seems to be wane unless apparently be on the wane unless apparently you from muslim country in you are from a muslim country in the middle of an asylum claim. and now told that 1 in 7 and we are now told that 1 in 7 occupants of bibby stockholm occupants of the bibby stockholm have practising have suddenly become practising christians. can i ask the prime minister, given that the church of england has now issued secret guidance for clergy supporting asylum applications for these damascene conversions , who is damascene conversions, who is the accountable to and the church accountable to and are taxpayers being scammed by the archbishop ? the archbishop? >> mr speaker, when it comes to illegal migrants, we need to have a system whereby someone comes here illegally. they shouldn't be able to stay. i can tell him that my right hon. friend the home secretary has asked for more informatio

more bad for news of news the poor old church of england for england and a victory for lesbian don'ttening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> welcome back to headliners starting this section with the observer and a congolese football player has been returned to his birthplace for causing political controversy. does this mean we can send gary lineker back to leicester now? >> louis well, lineker back to leicester now? >> louis well , this is this is >> louis well, this is this is one of the most complicated stories i've ever read. and i'm going to try to i'm just surprised you read a story. i've read the story and i'm thinking, what the hell's going on here? basically, rwanda , which is basically, rwanda, which is a country in africa. they kicked out a congolese . out a congolese. >> whoa, whoa. go back. >> whoa, whoa. go back. >> okay, cool. it's a country in africa. >> have to explain it simply for our audience. you know, it's 11:00 at night to, um, there's a they out a congolese they kicked out a congolese football for making a football player for making a motion , l