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>> oh, you said it that the leadership of the church of england have become essentially guardians as er of the church of england. i'm a regular church goer, and you mentioned also these very, very questionable links to slavery that led to this decision . to that led to this decision. to pay that led to this decision. to pay £100 million in reparations, even though the parishes are really struggling with poverty at the moment, so i think that the arch i've said this many, many times that i think the archbishop of canterbury should resign. the whole idea of the established church , which i'm in established church, which i'm in favour of, is that they that the bishops in the house of lords, including justin welby , should including justin welby, should put forward, you know, whatever their whenever they're putting forward a proposition in politics, it should be rooted in theology. what right do people have to child benefit? it's a luxury that we have and we're very lucky to have that. but what is the theological basis of the political statements that he makes? i think actually that the a

churches , church of england churches, coast guards and others, more pubuc coast guards and e to hang a portrait of the king. >> will you be expanding the scheme to include other places of worship like synagogues? >> not at this stage. we've taken the decision that because the king is the supreme governor of the church of england , he of the church of england, he leads that institution in the way that he does many other pubuc way that he does many other public institutions. so it's appropriate to have a portrait of him are being provided by the government. of course, we would very much welcome other institutions having a portrait of the king. and indeed, when i attend synagogues, one of the things we do at the end of almost every service is to sing the national anthem. so i know how committed the jewish community is to the king. >> why did it take a labour mps intervention for you to take this step in expanding the scheme? well actually, i initiated this scheme many months ago and agreed funding with the treasury. >> many thousands of institutions have taken it up, but becaus

and maybe it's because, to a certain extent, the church of england , is quite the church of england,washy. it's a lovely church to get married in. we all know the archbishop of canterbury , it's a bit sort of canterbury, it's a bit sort of midsomer murders. if you like, and i'm not sure that when it comes down to real, faith and commitment that we feel comfortable with it and we, you know, we do see this quite often cropping up. and tony blair or alastair campbell on behalf of tony blair, famously said , we tony blair, famously said, we don't do god, even though we know that tony blair was, you know, a devout christian. daniel. >> well, there are two separate things here, aren't them? the first is there are certain policy issues which traditionally have been regarded as matters of conscience and not party policy. so they would include things like abortion, for example. so is the death penalty. are others where mps and others have always been allowed to vote? according to their conscience and there hasn't been a party policy. what's happened on the left? the liberal democrats in parti

of his, the people who go to his churches don't think that. and he's alienating very successfully a huge part of the congregation of the church of england. will be supporters would argue that this comes from a place of empathy. >> he is a christian. he's obviously a cleric in a leadership role, and he's concerned about children going hungry, being destitute and child poverty, inequality. many would argue that is a christian issue. yes. >> and i can see exactly what you're saying there. and yes, those are christian issues and those are christian issues and those are christian issues and those are innocent children who would be going hungry and all the rest of it. but i do agree with you. >> what do you think, sajeela, about senior clerics being political? >> okay, so i think he'd be better put to use, as would all religious leaders , to actually religious leaders, to actually educate families or people in because people just have children willy nilly and they just think, well, you know, that's fine. they just come because god's sort of sent them. and, you know, that was meant to be born. but just sort of consider, well, look, if you have o

we've taken the decision that because the king is the supreme governor of the church of england , he ns. so it's appropriate to have a portrait of him are being provided by the government. of course, we would very much welcome other institutions having a portrait of the king. and indeed, when i attend synagogues , one of the attend synagogues, one of the things we do at the end of almost every service is to sing the national anthem. so i know how committed the jewish community is to the king. >> why did it take a labour mps intervention for you to take this step and expanding the scheme? >> well, actually, i initiated this scheme many months ago and agreed funding with the treasury. many thousands of institutions have taken it up, but because we've managed to run this contract so efficiently and get the cost of individual portraits down, it means there's essentially headroom in the contract to be able to open this up to further institutions. it had always been my hope that we could extend it further, but we just had to see what the take up was in the initial phase. >> what do you make

let's talk about instead about a female vicar in her church of england, vicar in her 80s. it clearly round the twist? no she's not, she's been, she's been. she should go to prison for the rest. i've read her books. she's a deeply heartfelt activist who understands that her moral duty in this time. so where does this stop? >> do you burn down public buildings? do you? i mean, where does this stop the logic of your argument? if you think it's acceptable for two old women to attack a copy of the magna carta, where does it start? >> they attack the case. the magna carta was. >> well, they were hitting it with a hammer. had the glass broken, it may well have damaged the document. i'm here they are. look. look at that. absolutely bonkers. i mean, they should be locked up for their own safety. frankly, they clearly, clearly can't look after i think. >> i think the question your viewers want to know is, why does where do you where does this why does a church of england vicar in her 80s feel the need to stand up and do these actions? >> and that's because probably because she's los

he's an ordained member of the church of england, so in some sense, it's a bit of an irony that, you an ordained church of england minister, although his his career has essentially been in, as i understand it, has been in, as i understand it, has been in moral philosophy and theology to some extent, and that he'll be commenting on obviously the legacy of the empire, which he, which he treated in his book and deconstructing decolonialism or deconstructing decolonialism or deconstructing colonialism, rather colonialism in general, in particular the british empire. >> deconstructing decolonisation is the title . so it's he's had is the title. so it's he's had a lot of experience with, with, you know, evaluating empire and he's that's what his book was about, obviously, but he's been quite surprised by because really he's putting forward quite reasonable arguments about, you know, yes , there were about, you know, yes, there were some bad elements. but, you know, for instance, we tried to stop the slave trade for 80 years or so. you know, it's actually there are some good points and some

so if we continue to undermine our micro—enterprises, dare i say, the campaigns to the church of englandm bae systems, you know, a major international defence company, you know, where are we going to generate our wealth from? >> and it has a real consequence, doesn't it? because if investors are less likely to invest in bae, then for bae to do business becomes more expensive because the people who will invest in it expect a higher return. so there is a real cost that you can identify by limiting the pool of investors. >> absolutely. and you know, these huge multinational firms which, you know, generate most of the, ft—se 100 income margins and the income that goes into our pension funds and pays for our pension funds and pays for our energy bills that the professor emeritus was referencing, if we don't have if we're not home to these multinational firms, those profits will go elsewhere. the investment will go elsewhere. bae systems, perhaps at one stage, i think there is still a golden share in bae systems . so golden share in bae systems. so perhaps they can't just, up stocks and leave.

the church of england going woke and going broke and a $400 pineapple. headline news . welcome back to headline news. we've got the times now, and juuan we've got the times now, and julian assange has won a stay of execution . and i might mean that execution. and i might mean that literally if he gets sent to america , it might be curtains america, it might be curtains for him. kerry, yeah, i think they're saying that's unlikely now, but, which i don't think that would be a great look, would it, to, to do that, he's beenin would it, to, to do that, he's been in belmarsh prison in southeast london since april 2019, and that happened after he was expelled from the ecuadorian embassy, where he was there for seven years. we've all had these houseguests, haven't we, who like, kind of stay for a couple of days, desperate times, then seven years later and there's pizza boxes and fag ends everywhere . and then, of course, everywhere. and then, of course, he was opening the embassy door to diplomats wearing his dressing gown. i'm exaggerating. i think i am a dirt

i mean, now, at least in the church of england, we've got them.n bishop. i think it's going to be unlikely in the catholic church because it's not going to happen. >> and not least because of the orthodox church's view. and the catholic church would like to have a unity with the orthodox and the orthodox, aren't going to change. and i mean, on mount athos, you're not even allowed to take a chicken given on the biblical evidence, i would have thought that the church ought to pay thought that the church ought to pay much more attention to women than it does. well, the catholic church does, because there's such an enormous devotion to our lady. >> yes, but not. but not when it comes to the church structure. so in the early days of the church , women were able to church, women were able to preach and all that was taken over by the fourth century saint paulis over by the fourth century saint paul is very against preaching. saint paul's a misogynist. >> well, i'm not sure he is, but he fused people and he says that husbands have to look after their wive

of anti—christian sentiment. i personally don't believe we should be secular. i believe england and britain are christian countries, so it's okay. the head of the king is the head of the church in muslim countries it's okay to promote those values. i don't think anything should have to be secular. >> that's my i'm just saying you don't get special rights for it, though you do in this country. >> christianity should have special rights because a christian country it should have. and in saudi arabia, islam should have special. yeah okay. >> but by that logic, should we be able to say, well, christians should be able to object to important literary texts on the bafis important literary texts on the basis of their faith. yes and not study them. well, that makes you a philistine. yes. no it doesn't. >> it makes me want a theocracy. >> it makes me want a theocracy. >> you want a theocracy ? >> you want a theocracy? >> you want a theocracy? >> well, at least you admit it. we're going to move on now to the guardian next. this is about a literary event. one of your favourite topics. yeah. hay festival . i thought it was festival. i thought it was a festival. i thought it was a festiva

and whereas, you know, the sort of church of england, it was a great line. sort of religion and politics, like its tea week. yeah. so yeah, but i think if people i mean, i have to say these 18, these 18 demands, you say good, good luck for trying some of them make me feel very uncomfortable. yes. it's absolutely right for labour to talk to the muslim community, have dialogue and discuss it, but not to give in to 18 demands, which is just wrong. >> do you know what they'll do, though? despite the muslim population, population in this country being 6% or something, 4 million muslims, labour and keir starmer will cave in to a lot of these demands. they won't. >> honestly, they will certainly won't be caving in to these 18 demands. yes to listening. they will. no to caving in to a list of 18 people. >> they will appease them in some way. >> even people shouldn't cave in to demands, you know, to just sort of sets of demands. >> it ensures he gets into number 10. he will do it. and it's outrageous. right >> let's do another little story here. this has just been bre

it's meant to be the church of england, but it's actually the nhs and as far as i can tell, and wokeness, i think wokeness. and wokeness, i think wokeness. yeah, that's what we say on this channel. i know you don't. you don't say it as much. >> it's interesting that you say that he's allowed to say this because he's labour, but actually he's very much playing against a core part of the labour vote who see any threat to the nhs. and in terms of wes streeting just being quite adult about it, like they will have to be changed, they will have to be outsourcing to some, as there already has been to some private companies , and there are those companies, and there are those on the left who see him at this as a massive betrayal. bruce. but is it is that candour actually something that most people would respond to? >> i think so, because i think the nhs isn't for. it was when it was conceived , if you see it was conceived, if you see what i mean. it's very different andifs what i mean. it's very different and it's under an incredible amount of pressure and stuff. so if you are going to have to o

of common sense? just imagine if vickers suddenly started committing terrible crimes across the country and the church. yeah, and the church of englandow, you just can't get a decent vicar these days. or doctors started robbing the practices they were working in. that would be as bad . but somebody would be as bad. but somebody would say, this isn't the way that they usually behave . something they usually behave. something must have gone wrong. >> the post office has been high fiving when people went to prison. >> their prosecutors were predicated on a lie, which was that only the postmasters and post offices could access their machines. >> yeah, but also the fact that they sent each other congratulatory emails and said, we got a result. yeah, yeah, i mean, that is sick. >> that is normal. >> that is normal. >> vennells has just said that she was too trusting. yeah, she should have been more cynical, more sceptical, should have questioned, but also the fact that she had about five quangos. >> i mean, she was a ceo of about five different organisations. yes. >> this woman was also a church of england vicar, you can hardly believe. >>

has been extended and it now includes hospital coast guard centres, job centres, universities, church of england public institutions. well, let's welcome back to my clashes . lord daniel moylan, conservative member of the house of lords . also norman baker, of lords. also norman baker, former liberal democrat minister. right. daniel what do you think then? have you been following this royal story with prince harry coming to the uk and not seeing his father ? and not seeing his father? >> no, to be perfectly honest, i don't find the whole prince harry thing terribly interesting. and let's put this interesting. and let's put this in an historical perspective. this is mild stuff. i mean, george ii in the 18th century famously got on extremely badly with all his sons , who were with all his sons, who were absolutely brutal to him and completely horrible during his long reign. and edward the third not only deposed his father, he was almost certainly party to the plot to murder him later. so, you know, just not turning up while the king's at a garden party and so on. this is all very mild stuff. it's

we've heard today that a former church of england priest has been charged with child sex offences datingck to the late 1990s. eight year old wilfred whitaker , eight year old wilfred whitaker, who changed his name from colin prichard after he was convicted of a separate offence in 2008, has been charged with rape and gross indecency with a boy aged under 14. now a man in his 30s, he was serving at church in east sussex at the time. he'll appear in court on the 10th of june. almost 80 people over the. yeah, almost 80 people over the age of 65 are dying each day in england while still waiting to receive social care, new figures suggest. charities and campaigners are calling on politicians to address the problem , accusing the government problem, accusing the government of a lack of investment. however, the department for health and social care says up to £86 billion has been made available in additional funding over two years. the leader of the liberal democrats has claimed that the scottish government has neglected mental health services there . ed davey, health services there. ed davey,

what are we to make of this , what are we to make of this, well, i think in recent years the church of england become the labour party at prayer. you know, i'm old enough to remember when they called it the tory party at prayer. but. but it seems sure they deny that. right. well, it seems justin welby is out lifting the labour party by saying that this calculation, where most benefits are calculated to a maximum level, as if the claimant family only had two children, is cruel andifs only had two children, is cruel and it's accentuating , child and it's accentuating, child poverty, and that every child is of equal value. now, i'm not particularly wedded to this two cap, two child benefit cap. i think even suella braverman wrote an article recently saying maybe it should be reviewed, but ihave maybe it should be reviewed, but i have to say, whenever justin welby comes out with a position , welby comes out with a position, often i find myself instinctively taking the opposite one. so the fact that he's so remorselessly politically correct, left wing, wanting to expand state spending thing, he's a

all that accompanies them and everything that was on display that day, the armed forces, the church of englandr communities, help help the nation be all it can be. that's that's timeless, that's completely relevant to today. and i think the royal family , he continues. because it family, he continues. because it it does reflect the nation. it reflects . it's not just what we reflects. it's not just what we stand for and our values, but what families go through. when i paid my tribute to , the late paid my tribute to, the late queen, i. i i the thing that really struck me when i was looking back on her life is that she shared her whole life and her family with us, that would have been hugely intrusive, i think she said she she liked going to balmoral because she got to sleep in one bed for six weeks, it's hard to imagine what a life is like. i mean, i as mps, we run about all over the place. we do crazy things, but it's not for our whole life. and i think that is something that is quite remarkable about our royal family so i think they're relevant, and we've seen that with, the recent news on t

one school trust, which comprises several church of england primary schools, has advised teachers ton out on school trips and let students sleep in bedrooms matching their chosen gender identity. you've got resources like this available online. teach children about pride in an early years setting. they can do rainbow finger paintings. why why, why is it important to talk to 4 or 5 year olds about their sexuality now? i found the reaction to this from teaching unions quite baffling. okay, so this new desire for the government to just push back on this a little bit and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold your horses. let's wait till the kids are a bit older. so paul whiteman is apparently the general secretary at schools leaders union, the naht h t. and he said if what has been leaked is accurate, the government must provide the evidence which unequivocally shows that such age limits will improve the support , protection improve the support, protection and safeguarding of children and young people, no . paul, with young people, no. paul, with respect, mate, i think you have to provide the evid

churches. this was the american program of doctrinal warfare. we want to fight for religious freedom, but essentially this was a merger of state and church to use the church as a soft spot. existed in englandthe orange coup, what century, the seventeenth overthrow of the legitimate king james stuart, from that moment, when the usurper orange dynasty came, a test act was established, well, it was not immediately established, but there are several decades, into the 20th century, here is elizabeth ii, the deceased, she was the first who did not utter this... this horror out loud, that is, starting from the monarch and ending with all officials, everyone was obliged to take an oath that they did not believe in wine turns into the blood of the lord, bread into the flesh of the lord, into the fact that they deny the saints, that is, it is considered that this is an anti-catholic oath, but imagine if the orthodox were there... a representative of the church of satan, and this is only the beginning of the retreat from god in american empires. well, obviously we don't view satan as evil. and we really don’t care what mythology you have about satan. you must understand for yourself whether your host

well, we've heard this morning that a former church of england priest has been charged with child sex90s. eight year old wilfred whitaker, who changed his name from colin prichard after he was convicted of a separate offence in 2008, has been charged with rape and gross indecency with a boy aged under 14. now a man in his 30s, he was serving at a church in east sussex at the time. he'll appearin east sussex at the time. he'll appear in court on the 10th of june. two east london criminals have been sentenced for smuggling migrants into the uk using lorries and light aircraft. morteza hilal and kreshnik cadena, part of the major albanian crime network, arranged at least nine migrant trips in 2016 and 2017. the national crime agency's eight year long investigation revealed the two men had provided counterfeit documents for safe transport, charging £10,000 per person they've received combined sentences of five years and two months at court. sentences of five years and two months at court . almost 80 months at court. almost 80 people over the age of 65 are dying each day in england, accord

the origins of hatred of the traditional orthodox church among the american elite come from the medieval englandhen that the lust for power of the english monarchs rejected the main canon - the rules of christianity. elena chudinova, writer, author of the book notre dame mosque. in england. existed since the orange coup, what century? the overthrow of the rightful king, james stuart, from that moment on, when the usurper orange dynasty comes, a test act is established, well, it was not established immediately, but there were several decades, until the twentieth century, here is elizabeth ii, the deceased, she was the first to experience this horror.. . did not say it out loud, that is, starting from the monarch to all officials, everyone was required to take an oath that they did not believe that wine turns into the blood of the lord, bread into the flesh of the lord, that they deny the saints, that is, it is considered that this is an anti-catholic oath, but imagine if there were orthodox christians there, what kind of... orthodox would say, i admit that i don’t believe in it. over time, classi

you know, she's she's an ordained priest in the church of england. hope with that in mind. she speaks the absolute truth. little bit of humility. and if she's got something, you know, if there's something, you know, if there's something unsaid that she should have said, i hope she's got the guts to be honest about it. >> i also want to bring to everybody's attention the met office. they've been issuing a few weather warnings this morning. we've got a yellow warning in place for the southern part of the country, but actually an amber warning, which includes a threat to life across wales and north—west england. from midday today, we are expecting a significant amount of water. we'll have a forecast a little bit later on in the programme, but that is the latest from the met office today. >> if you don't need to go out, just don't. today it's really not worth it. the roads as a roads are really waterlogged. it's been raining all night so it's dangerous on the roads. just be careful. >> flower show keeping all of those flowers nice out in the pounng those

. >> well, a historian and licensed lay minister for the church of england, martin whittock, joins us. good to see you this morning, martin. i think the daily mail actually summarised this perfectly on the front page. the royal rift just two miles away from each other, but worlds apart. the king and prince harry. >> yes. yeah i calculated 2.6 miles or 15 minutes by car, maybe 20 minutes if the traffic's a bit slow. from saint paups traffic's a bit slow. from saint paul's cathedral to buckingham palace. and whilst they couldn't have been at the same things yesterday because obviously they were committed to his engagements, it would, one would have thought, been theoretically possible for them to have for met a coffee in the morning. it's a difficult situation. clearly the king is returning to royal duties carefully , he royal duties carefully, he hasn't got a full programme. nevertheless they were in london both on tuesday evening and yesterday. yesterday for the garden party, for the king in the afternoon and for the 10th anniversary of invictus games at the saint paul's cathedral in

church just like england has a national. and by incorporation, we going to have state churches. so it would be inappropriate for the state of texas to say the baptist church is the state church for texas. we're going to tax everyone to it and to support the church, the baptist church and. absolutely inappropriate. right. but to have symbolic things like in god, we trust in their money, not constitutionally problematic. and i don't think it's particularly anyone. the gospel of j edgar hoover by lauren martin came out in february. mark david hall's book who's afraid of christian nationalism, came out earlier this month, and he's taking your calls. for about the next 15 minutes here on the washington on this sunday morning. this john in shiner, texas republican. good morning and on c-span and this is i really appreciate the person chosen conversation we seem to be having about this made up crisis. i was watching joe scarborough this morning and he had someone it was his name older basically comparing the we the dumb maga people comparing trump to jesus in the hysteria. it's just absolutely beyond the pale. well, what this is r

church just like england has a national. and by incorporation, we going to have state churches. so it would be inappropriate for the state of texas to say the baptist church is the state church for texas. we're going to tax everyone to it and to support the church, the baptist church and. absolutely inappropriate. right. but to have symbolic things like in god, we trust in their money, not constitutionally problematic. and i don't think it's particularly anyone. the gospel of j edgar hoover by lauren martin came out in february. mark david hall's book who's afraid of christian nationalism, came out earlier this month, and he's taking your calls. for about the next 15 minutes here on the washington on this sunday morning. this john in shiner, texas republican. good morning and on c-span and this is i really appreciate the person chosen conversation we seem to be having about this made up crisis. i was watching joe scarborough this morning and he had someone it was his name older basically comparing the we the dumb maga people comparing trump to jesus in the hysteria. it's just absolutely beyond the pale. well, what this is r

church just like england has a national. and by incorporation, we going to have state churches. so it would be inappropriate for the state of texas to say the baptist church is the state church for texas. we're going to tax everyone to it and to support the church, the baptist church and. absolutely inappropriate. right. but to have symbolic things like in god, we trust in their money, not constitutionally problematic. and i don't think it's particularly anyone. the gospel of j edgar hoover by lauren martin came out in february. mark david hall's book who's afraid of christian nationalism, came out earlier this month, and he's taking your calls. for about the next 15 minutes here on the washington on this sunday morning. this john in shiner, texas republican. good morning and on c-span and this is i really appreciate the person chosen conversation we seem to be having about this made up crisis. i was watching joe scarborough this morning and he had someone it was his name older basically comparing the we the dumb maga people comparing trump to jesus in the hysteria. it's just absolutely beyond the pale. well, what this is r

of brewer, maine. thousand people, his parents are deeply religious. the church, the successor the puritans who came first to new england is dominant religion. and this the faith that he embraces. and yet what i then found remarkable was that even though he held this traditional faith, he and his adult life was more and more and more open other traditions of, faith that came into maine, unitary, an ism that came late, first from boston and then into maine. so who is this person? joshua lawrence chamberlain. how is he formed for me also, biography the art of biography is a a puzzle of many pieces. i don't want to know conclusion before i start. i want to know what the puzzle is and ask those questions of the first question how to understand the proud beneficiaries of bowdoin college with classical curriculum with young professor willing to challenge that curriculum and willing to say there needs to be a new teaching method if we're going to reach young people today. how to reconcile bookworm college student with a risk taking soldier or at gettysburg how to appreciate the patriot who believed so fervently in the union. a