he put a tough and shrewd churchman, cardinal george pel of australia, in charge not only of economicey, but of personnel policy and administrative policy. he said in an interview the new york times of italy last week, that cleaning up the engine room was what he was hired to do and he's going to do that. >> and ann, for you, it's been an extraordinary journey. what do you say to a pope when you get an audience? >> i say thank you a lot. it is -- it is somewhat overwhelming to meet a pope and i've met this pope twice and quite honestly, andrea, i never expected in my life to meet a pope. what i am struck by when i think about the encounters i've had with him is what george said, how relaxed he is. you know, some men when they are elected to the papacy, it seems to be a responsibility that confines them. with this pope, it seems to have liberated him. he is so comfortable. when i think back to this press conference on the plane. i've covered everybody, presidents, candidates, supreme court justices, serial killers, you name it. i have never seen a press conference like that where he st