government failed to disclose that he was a cia employee and a contractor for the cia yes they did and this is you know gets to be the problem that you have if you're in public affairs at the cia is that the cia has very little credibility since they routinely. don't disclose the truth but the key question here again is under what conditions should u.s. news media withhold information. that and it's not for me it's not a question of whether to reported this question of when to report it you know you said it's not unusual for. these organizations to withhold information that could jeopardize someone's life or perhaps jeopardize national security well actually this is pretty unusual doesn't it's not the routine and when use organizations are requested by the government to do that they rarely promise to do it they consider it they usually are not going to sit on the information forever and pretty much if you decide you're going to hold a story at the request of the government you can pretty much guess that somebody else is going to report it first i want that's what happened what happened

rented crowds by the cia as the cia claimed? or were they jen actually worried crowds as the shah claimed or is it a combination? my research, everything i have done, and i wrote the chapter on the coo last because it was most difficult for me to write. my conclusion is it's really a combination of all of these factors. the cia was involved, but had much less of a role than it later claimed and later claimed it was the only force that played this role because it has had a series of defeats. this is really the only major success they had in a series of difficult remarkable, read the legacy of ashes, and you can see how many difficulties they had before this. that was more than three minutes. [laughter] >> yeah, i noted that, but it was interesting anyway. there are a number of questions here also just to leap forward a little bit in time. regarding iran's nuclear program, the weapons development, and the so-called peaceful development activity, and did you come across documentation that may have given proof one way or the other o

both to the cia freddy's is particularly strong now with a right leaning government in sweden and with the us wanting him for spying in sweden wanting him for sex crimes. julian assange is wanted by quite a team and the songe wiki leaks case seems to be just the next continuation of this very old intelligence relationship here's some other relationships we dug up julian assange ticks off the us with fierce reaction from one of the country's most notorious neo cons is not a particularly credible source and love and he is a you know two million homeowners it is a criminal only ought to be hunted down and grabbed and put on trial for what he has done hear these words from karl rove who claims he's part swedish and just happens to be advising the country's pm while the former swedish minister of justice is a partner in the firm who filed charges against a songe for sex crimes with another link to the us thomas von stroheim is claimed to have handed the cia asylum seekers from sweden who were then tortured a question about neutrality became even even clearer thanks to some of the documents

she's crudely as is the director for the cia. diis is an hour. >> -- who are not here yet but hopefully will be coming along shortly. we are joined on the committee by senators conrad, newell on our side and senator coats, blunt and rubio on the republican side. so we have six new members of this committee which i think both the vice chairman and i look forward to.the i note that senator coats is go fwraurd to.o the committee, having served here in the 105th congress.note thasenator also want toco congratulate senator saxby chambliss on his voice chairmanship. we've worked together on this wo committee since you joined, h senator, in 2002, and i look woh forward to a close, good, positive working relationship, and all i can say is 2002. all i can say is so far very good. >> there are that provides an opportunity to present to the committee and the public their assessment of current and projected national security threats to the united states. three important authorities under the surveillance act. the business records, roving wir

he wanted to be director of the cia. is why i think what a book and said he was thrilled to be nominated for the. and somehow or other the myth it came around that i was one who masterminded all of this and arranged for him not to be considered for vice president. >> and you write in the book that he believes that. >> i don't know that he believes the myth persisted. i finally was tired of it and the road president forward and said, give me a letter that tells me what the facts are. he wrote back and said you're quite right, george herbert walker bush beg to be head of the cia, wanted to be head of the cia, and you have nothing to do with it. that's the long and short of it. >> okay. >> in our world, narratives and theories get strung out over a period of time until it's like they're chipping stone and two, not withstanding the fact that are totally based in midair without any roots are substance to them at all. >> and in this case. let's move the clock up a but because we don't have a lot of time, 2000, george bush is e

john foster dullis and andrew welsh dullis at cia. the first target of their disapproval was iran and the overthrow into the reinstatement of the shah was a great success in the early days. the second was gua malla where we reinstated a bloody general than someone who was too left to our likely and cuba was third and the planning had not gone well at the end of the eisenhower regime and so kennedy inherited that bad planning and he went ahead with it on some unbalanced briefings by andrew dullis and the invasion was a disaster. and raged castro and turned him solidly against president kennedy. his next mistake occurred in june of his first year where -- when he insisted on going to vienna and meeting with khrushchev. and he insisted on doing it and the meeting went very badly. >> kennedy was astute enough to realize he had not done well and he came back and said to his brother, i've never met anybody like that. we are talking about the possible cost of nuclear war and i said 70 million people might be killed and khrushchev looked at m

department and investigation by the associated press uncovered several instances where cia officials who were really screwed up managed to get a promotion out of it not just get to keep their jobs they actually got moved up the ranks is not comforting so you're courting the article ever since nine eleven the cia's been increasingly committing questionable acts towards anyone they deem as a threat and by questionable acts i'm referring to kidnapping torture sometimes even death and the report details that instance back in two thousand and three or an agent abducted. now although there was no legal reasoning to adopting abducted the cia carried out that mission anyway and there was evidence of illegal kidnapping torture even saddam is ation but when the reports when the agent referred to her superiors well they all just gave her a little pat on the back a slap on the wrist and i'll tell you why it's because they don't want other agents to be deterred and their counterterrorism efforts so in other words the cia doesn't want to miss a chance to casting a terrorist so they're just going t

he begged to be head of the at the cia and was delighted to be the head of the cia and you have nothing to do with it. that is a long and short. >> theories vestron now until they are shipped in stone and based in mid air. >> host: we do not have a lot of time hotbed when bush is elected president day do you have any thought he would be asked to go into the cabinet? and no. >> guest: i was an old man. [laughter] george and i went to our 50th high school reunion in the year 2000 september and joyce with her perception and wisdom and foresight announced this is the beginning of our world period. september 2000. we had no more idea in the world i would end up back there and had no desire and we were happy and life was good and i was very successful and served on commissions one on the ballistic missiles and another on space and felt i was contributing in some of volunteer way. >> host: when you became secretary of defense how did things change at the pentagon nor washington in general since 19707? >> i wish i knew the actual numbers, but congressional staff had ballooned and had grown by a

i hear the white house is not very pleased with the cia these days. but i was checking back, bob, to some of the people who were involved in the carter administration and they say the cia was better this time than they were last time. last time they had a years' worth of warning -- chris: we don't elect the cia. we cover the president. we cover the white house. it's not entirely the job of the agents to do what the principal asked them. why didn't president obama, why didn't tom donovan, why didn't the people around the president say what's going on in egypt? that guy is 83. what will happen next? >> in fairness, they were getting warning signals. he had the egypt working group ahead for some time. there were instabilities. be prepared for this. what he was going to do about it to prepare, what were they going to do? press harder, talk about it more? there were signs the precise timing, the catalysts for it they didn't know. you're right, they didn't upset. the hill is upset. chris: we have all of these groups out there at the national democratic conv

invasion of iraq in two thousand and three the cia relied on mr salim on to beat confession out of a detainee who said saddam hussein had connections with al qaeda something that was proven to be false but back in the day was perfect for the americans who desperately needed an excuse to invade iraq so he's an old friend not hostile to israel at that that's basically all the u.s. wants from a future leader of egypt in official statements of course u.s. official least. as. a u.s. official say they want to see a leader who hears his people's grievances but they're certainly rock receive here just a year ago when asked about human rights violations by the egyptian government i remember obama's response was egypt is our close schools ally and it's not the job of the united states to a lecture egypt on democracy and human rights rather a courage up has changed in recent weeks the u.s. took up its is old the role of democracy preacher but if you watch american t.v. listen to american politicians it's all about us interests not really about egyptians they want democracy for egypt but a democ

as the cia's man in cairo u.s. cia. extraordinary. parents . are among the silliman is accused of having been personally involved in torturing suspects this is the problem now in egypt is there's a struggle between not between mubarak and the people but because between the american cia covert operators of u.s. power around the world and the people are having to try to get mubarak replaced with somebody else it's hard to ignore the fact that the very abuses that drove hundreds of thousands of people into the streets had some assistance from the united states people have collected almost with pride these empty tear gas cylinders that have the words made in the usa written on them and so so much for regime change so a man was as much made in america as the dictator who appointed him and who is now being thrown out by the egyptian people wiki leaks cables show the u.s. administration was grooming him for years as far back as two thousand and seven it had a radio audience is trying to him as a possible successor to president mubarak. many of our con

after weeks of antigovernment unrest the egyptian president prepares to address the nation the cia says it expects him to step down within hours fuelling further criticism that the u.s. is pulling the strings. new exodus christians in iraq fear they're being driven out of their country with constant sectarian attacks targeting the minority groups. a surprise visit by the president renews concerns over transport security in russia and to me personally discovered major lapses at one of moscow's main train stations . u.s. politicians are famous for the bloopers they make when advising the world on democracy it seems the american people are being turned into the object of ridicule . from our studios here in central moscow this is r t with you twenty four hours a day so the egyptian president hosni mubarak has to address the nation later tonight in the cia says it expects he will resign it's been more than two weeks since the mass uprising in the country which has been accompanied by a wave of violent clashes between pro and anti-government protesters these are pictures coming to you from ca

hand over some powers to omar suleiman and he's a no bark loyalist at reportedly a close ally of the cia now what's the point of the revolution if one u.s. back strawman is replaced by another. well i completely agree with the premise behind that question i think at the point of the appointment of nice to see them and there were hopes that he could be an honest broker in this situation yes with the international community he promised in terms of. chairing talks with opposition groups within the country now the reason i think the international community had created in his he being they said in very between us at least rare and he's close to the as a former intelligence chief to the egyptian military but what we've seen since is interviews where he talks about the quote love of the egyptian people for mubarak he's talked about an even threatened the military dispersing the post offices into his square and yesterday he even said that the egyptian people were not ready for democracy now. it doesn't matter whether you're sitting in brussels or washington or with your protester interior square

and where they are today. >> if the cia was a private corporation, i say cia, intelligence communityin the united states. since 9/11 we spent half a trillion dollars. they don't know where osama bin laden or the leader of the taliban is. >> charlie: that's a difficult thing to do. >> it is a difficult thing to do. if you're spending that amount of money it's like the results, you know, were not so incredibly capable people who work in intelligences community. >> charlie: are you suggesting that it leads t this idea they spent more money they would have been able to find osama bin laden. >> i think they're recruiting the wrong people. the people that get into the agency, i mean the background check precludes people for instance who got lots of foreign friends or spent lots of time in a foreign country. that's exactly the kind of people to recruit if you want to find bin laden. you go to a lot of intelligence agencies like working into an accounting firm tends to be pretty white bread. it's not the kind of people that's going to find bin laden and other people being recited now. if we

protesters are valid to make friday the largest of the eighteen days of demonstrations so far former cia officer neil nominet said mubarak's reluctance to go is making the situation dangerously volatile. now that the president mubarak that years as said he would not leave i'm afraid that they are going to expand their religion and take it beyond. the way our government buildings as we see them and doing in fact the movement has already selected leadership all fourteen people and this leadership consists among other three groups of the muslim brotherhood so i do not believe that the muslim brotherhood misses out and it will take over the who. the movement remain secularized live through our professional movement from across the ship genocide so it is not one specific ideology so there are some members who are extremists but for the most part the muslim brotherhood has participated in egypt general elections and already indicated they would be willing to participate in fair and free elections eat meat . live from moscow you're with r.t. coming up a talent that never eighteenth. parties clo

songe for sex crimes with another link to the us thomas von stroheim is claimed to have handed the cia asylum seekers from sweden who were then tortured the questions about neutrality became even even clearer thanks to some of the documents from exactly wiki leaks and if the u.k. can secure asylum for bodies because of ski and ahmed zakayev both wanted for serious crimes in russia it could be argued there's another room in the british justice system to protect julian a song from the united states of sweet merica and let him keep blowing his whistle and he's now a r t stockholm sweden. or liberty campaign a poll with and joins me now from love the skulls the g.v. in the thongs case and i have a had. a person can't be extradited to a country that allows the death penalty so how does washington plan to get him help in sweden make a case to stand him. well i think the the keep the key thing here is that we are not supposed to be discussing his possible extradition to america because the european arrest warrant that's been issued is only relating to his extradition to sweden to well not eve

accountable then we'll discuss the case of raymond davis the diplomat who was ultimately exposed as a cia contractor in pakistan but the question here is why do we have to learn about this from the british press should the u.s. media have told us the truth instead of protecting the government former c.n.n. correspondent jamie mcintyre will give us his thoughts on it and you've heard of wiki leaks but have you heard of pailin leaks the manuscript of a tell all about the former alaska governor has been leaked to the media and well it contains some real gems as well as sixty thousand e-mails to give us an insight into help alun really operates. have fun with that at the end of the show but now let's move on to our top story. protests in wisconsin continued today but not without new threats coming from governor scott walker who continues to say that he will not back down from his plan to take away bargaining rights from public sector unions but today governor walker warned that state employees could start receiving layoff notices possibly as early as next week if this bill doesn't pass so how

a former cia officer says the idea that islamic extremist koz take over in libya is far from crazy. libyan leader muammar gaddafi is fighting his people to hang on. the antigaddafi uprising that started in the second largest city has now spread to the capitol and much of the rest of the country. tripoli remains under gaddafi's control but witnesses call it a coast town. >> nobody is walking in the streets or tries to get out. it's scary ask a scary. >> in a rambling phone call to state-run television, gaddafi told a news anchor osama bin laden and al qaeda are to blame. >> our children have been manipulated by al qaeda which is called the international terrorism. >>> a former cia senior officer in charge of tracking osama bin laden before september 11th says it's likely qaelda is happy with what is transpiring but any involvement would be low key. >> why would you ever at this time when things goring your way? >> he authored a book on osama bin laden and contemporary to other analyst zz not seat uprising as pro democracy. he believes that view is naive. >> i think it's pollaanis skm

he's from cia. i can see john the going see john glenn link over or two say who the hell is this guy? but i somehow survived it. we went ahead with bombing. and head of the red team played his cards very well. curtis lemay's scenario was that once we started bombing north vietnam, north vietnam would try to retaliate by bombing saigon, that they did not have sufficient aircraft to do that will, so they would call on their chinese allies, and that the chinese would supply them pilots and aircraft to be used to bombing saigon. this would enable lemay to retaliate against china and take out its developing nuclear capacity. well, the wargame was a disaster. the red team retaliated in a very astute way. it did not retaliate militarily. it retaliated psychologically, and the impact of bombing not only worked minimally in terms of military context, but it works very badly in terms of world opinion of what we were doing. and curtis lemay grew furious at the final session of the working, and he leaned forwar

it said that i was on the cia list in the united states of america. q: now you spoke up during a . a discussion that was largely devoted to the beautification of america. ek: well, her idea, and according to the ladies there, too, was to plant wild seeds along route 66. (laughter) ek: and i thought, that's all very well and good. but what we need is education for everyone, equal education for all, and why is it that our schools are so dilapidated and our educational system so much at fault? because i believe that if you get an education, you can cross anybody's line. because it's your intelligence that counts, not what you look like. (applause) q: did you have any sense as you walked from the white house that day what was about to hit you? did you have any idea that you had jumped into boiling water? ek: no. because i have a feeling of freedom in my country, and we are on grounds that says you have that freedom of . freedom of speech, freedom from oppression, freedom from . all sorts of oppressions. i still feel that way. and as i said, we in our coun

a song for sex crimes with another link to the us thomas von stroheim is claimed to have handed the cia asylum seekers from sweden who were then tortured the questions about neutrality became even even clearer thanks to some of the documents from exactly wiki leaks and if the u.k. can secure asylum for bodies because of ski and ahmed zakayev both wanted for serious crimes in russia it could be argued there's another room in the british justice system to protect you we know songs from the united states of sweden merica and let him keep blowing his whistle and he's in our way archie stockholm sweden still ahead this hour about all of epic proportions all of the name on. the phone for their favorite animated characters to be a mascot of the twenty four team wouldn't pay for all the details of the candidates and their fight to the top. antigovernment protesters in egypt showing no sign of giving up to two weeks of all the rest and to removing president hosni mubarak from power the country's new cabinet held its first meeting as ferals and maintain a human chain in cairo central square. for

in charge during this tumultuous transition who is seen as a possible target of two mubarak is a big cia friend it's all marsalis he has reportedly orchestrated the brutal interrogations of terror suspects abducted by the cia also in the run up to the u.s. invasion of iraq in two thousand and three the cia relied on mr sulaiman to beat fashion out of the detainee who said that hussein had connections with al qaeda something that was proven to be false but back in the day was perfect for the americans who desperately needed an excuse to invade iraq so he's an old friend not hostile to israel and that's basically all the u.s. wants from a future leader of egypt. you're saying the u.s. saying this is a victory for democracy we're seeing a positive response from the rest of the west which has been calling for changes of course but this is that because of a desire to help the egyptian people or perhaps something deeper than that. billing statements of course you have u.s. officials say the demands of the gyptian people are digital and they want to they would want to see a leader who hears his

in my took over as the head of the egyptian equivalent of the cia the general intelligence services in one thousand in ninety three and that's a position he held until two weeks ago when he became vice president each passing day diminishes the appeal of silly mind he did something very odd in some ways it undermined his credibility as a power broker with the protesters he organized a meeting two days ago with a hand selected group of people that he wanted to speak with some including members of the muslim brotherhood and though the people who attended the meeting thought it was a talk to talk about talking in other words to set some ground rules for what would be happening but in fact immediately after the meeting he came out and told the egyptian people on state t.v. that they reached a consensus and that the consensus that essentially been what the government wants which is protesters go home and everything more or less stays the same and so people who participated in those talks really i think felt had and that significantly diminishes so in minds credibility in egypt. remember to l

operatives behind the current cia operatives that's why you've got to go for the global insurrection against banker occupation by sooner put them all out of business a lot of people will say oh you can't possibly touch j.p. morgan because they are the fed they are the government but this next headline and this next bit of information we have here shows you that you can scare them food price follies the grown ups step in now this is the reformed broker joshua brown talking about an announcement from deutsche bank a crucial bank to this global banking cartel very crucial in the creation of derivatives now they have suspended further issuance of the power shares d.b. agriculture double long exchange traded note its trades on the new york stock exchange or the simple dag. apparently industry sources believe that exposure the a.t.n. was holding to corn wheat soy beans and sugar futures was nearing limits that might attract the attention of regulators at the commodity. futures trading commission that's right one way to keep the lid on the speculators running amuck are position limits and m

quite a long while six years ago the american national intelligence council which is linked to the cia warned of exactly this it mapped out of a port on the global future it consisted of a caliphate one big muslim state created to sow. a slowdown in the economy and fueled by religious movements if such a pan regional union did genuinely come into being such a regional union would necessitate the breaking of very strong very resistant bonds that exist between the us and many of the participants in such a putative arab muslim world and the us is already feeling the heat with confusing messages coming from an administration that's unsure what to do when the protests first started president obama was careful not to abandon his old friend hosni mubarak but his loyalties soon shifted and he sided with the protesters to try and keep on top of things for sure of the muslim brotherhood reach the top of egypt's though impose those special agenda they'll go ahead to establish a religious state and despite them saying they don't want to be in the government they do they want to rule egypt and it's

their policy is in ruins the reports of the cia's hundred million dollar computer modeling systems they didn't predict any of this was going to happen whereas a lot of other people were predicting things like this would happen it's now owners of the american certainly people in the new york times predicting things could happen even in saudi arabia this is not a victory for the united states when things happen in china the famous minister said that it's too early to tell he was speaking in the twentieth century what the french revolution of the eighteenth century how it would turn out i think the egyptian people have even longer memories and certainly to too soon to see how this revolution is going to play out that the u.s. may not have much influence in what happens in september's elections that's of course if those elections do take place later this year. i think it's very interesting that people like mom and el baradei who do have close ties with international institutions such as the international monetary fund and those kinds of globalized institutions how far these people can reall

the washington post basically a look at some independence of his pigs what they could gather from the cia said that we've only killed two high value militants that would have been on the left in the past year after we've had a record of drone strikes is that supposed to make us feel like these things are worth the money i mean even if you use a slightly more expansive definition of who we got that was worth getting we still only got maybe sixteen people which works out to be about nine million dollars for top target it's a lot of money it's not clear that it's getting us anywhere and it's really pissing out. well we know one thing that i find interesting is when they first launched the drone campaign really this was used only to go after these high value how valued militants people that we had on the list now they're congratulating themselves for getting the low level foot soldiers you know they're saying that this is a new strategy that's keeping us safe but do you think that's a good tactic or is it a little bit overzealous we're just bombing everybody again. well you know one begins to