commissions they blame congress but we'll see if they ever even try to fight then could be heading to the cia according to reports from n.p.r. gen david petraeus might be the next head of the intelligence agency so we'll have details on what that move could mean both for our wars abroad and her presidential politics here at home and today many people are wondering what about israel all the drastic changes that are happening in countries in the middle east how is it going to affect this tiny country and its foreign policy to look into it and we'll hash out the details of one u.n. report author who slightly changed his stance on the war in gaza and the countdown to the shutdown continues the government will turn off its lights this friday unless the right and left can reach an agreement on the budget paul ryan's two thousand and twelve budget plan is also out with six trillion dollars worth of cuts over the next ten years so it's a baby who the winners and who the losers will be and then sit back and enjoy a much needed happy hour with us producer jenny churchill and the daily callers mike rigg

economy and then a shakeup in the obama national security team the cia the pentagon are getting new leaders so how will these changes affect u.s. wars taking place in the middle east and north africa then berger's de vocht again president obama surprised everyone this morning when he released his long form birth certificate but should he have kate for the birth or crowd or will they simply move on to the next eerie and then does the crime fit the punishment oklahoma lawmakers passed a bill that would mandate up to a life sentence for anyone convicted of converting marijuana and hashish later in the show but first let's move on to our top story. so a federal reserve chairman ben bernanke he held a press conference and it was the first of its kind since the fed was founded in one thousand thirteen and supposedly it was the first of what will be for annual news gatherings so did the earth rattled or the winds blow did the world change well not quite as usual dr he said a whole lot of not that much did q e two work yes but it didn't fix all the problems will they do it again now because they do

situation in the cia even the cia has its own venture capital firm called in-q tel that actually provide seed money for a lot of these high tech firms they come up with some of the sensor ware and then there's the power of corporations that they have over washington which also influences that the other way so it's difficult to see how to think that out thanks very much lane that was investigated very last wayne madsen. well the mainstream narrative would suggest nato forces are now stepping up efforts to protect civilians in the strategic city of misrata libya that an interrogation of egypt's topos tows new mubarak brings egyptians new hope but in the midst of the so-called arab spring is that democracy and humanitarian aid blossoming or instability us foreign policy follies and anti-american insurgency well my next guest may be able to shed a lot of light i'm joined by former cia intelligence officer officer he's also former chief of the cia's bin laden unit and he's also the author of many books his most recent including or his most recent is osama bin laden michael sure it is our gues

see the pendulum swing in terms of who controls the major regions there we know the members of the cia at least have their boots on the ground and there is new evidence that the question of whether or not to arm the rebels there was answered weeks ago when orders. by president obama saying well let's do it what would the implications of all of this be i want to go now to one of our favorite guests here on r.t. and that is rapper low key he's in london right now. hey there lowkey it's been a while since we've last spoken and a few things have happened you could say including u.n. resolution one nine hundred seventy three and the west involvement in libya there are so many theories about why libya why not elsewhere why anywhere at all i want to get your thoughts on this. personally i believe that the interests work here. the u.s. britain and france is interest in sustaining civil war rather than reaching some type of. time when things can be sort of put back together and the country can be a whole its about sustaining the period of civil war and destabilizing the revolutions which took p

1947, we've had seven military officerses aheads of the cia.nd many of them have done quite well. general smith in the early years and general mike hayden more recently. something i would say to people at cia right now about this general is this is a general who is a soldier scholar. he's got a ph.d from princeton-- princeton. he's able to move in many different worlds and i would see him being very comfortable on both the analytic and the operational side of the agency. >> lehrer: finally, why did they bring back ryan crocker, do you think? >> can't do better. >> lehrer: you really can't do better? >> i don't think so. he's been ambassador. he's had the experience in iraq. he's been ambar-- . >> lehrer: but nonin afghanistan. >> he's been ambassador in pakistan, that is really more important than kabul for the outcome in afghanistan. and he's been all over the region. he has the language skills. he has every bit of respect for how he has delivered. >> lehrer: dow wonder why he took the job? >> yes. >> lehrer: really a tough job. >> you know, i

not only for you know what we've seen in the last few decades not exactly you know obviously the cia and the f.b.i. aren't supposed to work together but there's a lot of holes in organization and strategy that have been brought up for general petraeus it seems like an organized guy do you think that this move was a good one i do and let. that part's first i've been in a room with you know general mcchrystal his predecessor in afghanistan receiving a top secret cia briefing which was totally irrelevant to what we were doing on the ground i mean if you're mcchrystal doesn't get any higher than this so i know i can only imagine what you're up to trace's been dealing with over the past years too so he as a customer as a consumer of intelligence wonder stand by what is necessary is had its own way of doing business with that said buttresses coming in now at a very difficult time in the history of cia cia mr big things recently did not pick up the instability in the middle east central command did the other thing is that they had some very big setbacks in afghanistan khost can't chapman or

deficit over the next twelve years and we'll find out if it has any chance of going anywhere and the cia is having trouble when it comes to hiring and keeping the best and the brightest for the government intelligence agency or tell you why there's a brain drain and where government employees are going for a more profitable job and then what's going on in afghanistan capitol hill hasn't been talking much about the war and the white house has said absolutely nothing on the schedule troop withdrawal that's supposed to begin in july so we're turning to contractors who are on the ground to give us some insight and then think on this and the u.s. student loan debt has for the first time surpassed credit card debt shocking we thought so but could this encourage teens and young adults to avoid college and for a different option for their future and then it's a bipartisan effort to keep your privacy private we'll tell you about a proposed bill that's going to protect your online privacy from data collectors and we'll find out of the bill really goes far enough in keeping you safe he tells on all

pakistan thanks to drone strikes and the recent case of raymond davis pakistan isn't too fond of the cia but is there any hope that this relationship could be revived but another area facing serious problems right now mexico and central america u.s. military officials have now said that the drug war there is as violent as the wars in both iraq and afghanistan but what can the u.s. do to help that we haven't already tried before and today the house voted on that old so contentious budget bill let's look at the bigger picture here are the politics the debating and the media buzz surrounding this is it safe to say that this is going to dominate the two thousand and twelve elections and more importantly the race to the oval office and if you fact cat bankers might be shaking in their boots today a new report has come out from capitol hill suggesting that some major wall street players lie all testifying before congress on the financial crisis and also saying that they should be prosecuted but will we ever really see anyone on wall street pay we'll cover all those stories and much more on tod

up i'm joined now by investigative journalist wayne madsen wayne i think it can be argued that the cia and the pentagon have a close relationship but they're pretty stuff that i want to start with this potential movement of leon panetta what do you think it means well what it may mean and it should be pointed out that panetta will be the first democratic secretary of defense since one thousand nine hundred seven william cohen of course republican was under clinton and we had rumsfeld and then we had gates who just a sickly very close in the bush family what this means show is that obama's trying to get the white house in for monitor stand more heavily on the pentagon and how this can play out with policy we know that gates has been reluctant to commit u.s. ground forces into libya yet another war that the obama administration has had mercy united states and we may see more white house control over pentagon policy as a result of what about betray us you know on one hand he's highly respected highly esteemed for his work in iraq and afghanistan and he doesn't criticize the cia for some o

situation in the cia even the cia has its own venture capital firm called in-q tel that actually provide same money for a lot of these high tech firms that come up with some of those sensors where i was investigative journalist i mean wayne madsen and that is going to do it for now from one of the stories we covered go to r.t. dot com flack.

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intelligence officer and former chief of the cia's bin laden unit and author of many books including his latest book some of bin laden michael scheuer and i asked him if the u.s. claims it's taken a backseat an intervention has been public relations after the pentagon reported it still leading airstrikes in libya. most of the world knows that nato doesn't do anything without us direction in u.s. management and that clearly is the case we're trying i think what we're trying to do is just fool the muslim world that it's the brits and the french and the other europeans who are bombing khadafi but i think the muslim world is much smarter than they are and they know that the united states is behind the principle but what do you think is the problem with that well the problem is that is our reputation in the muslim world is is attacking muslim countries that have oil and it's certainly the case that libya is a muslim country and a country that has oil so we're making things worse for ourselves indeed we're confirming what osama bin laden has been saying about the united states for the past

and former cia official will discuss the upcoming leadership changes at the pentagon and the cia. after that, and update on the legality of the defense which defines marriage as a union between a man and woman. between a man and woman. . host: joining us now, professor s pch er oven who has studied what it means to be a naturally born sit den. caller: we don't have an answer to that question. there's two basic takes of what natural born would mean. one would require that the individual be born in the united states. the other would allow an individual whose parents were citizen. >> somebody could be eligible to be president if one or both of their parents was a citizen and they happened to be born outside the borders? >> that's right this happens all the time now. if we look at the purpose of this clause, it would seem reasonable to allow the elibility in an example if their parent s were born outside the united states. john mccain was born outside the ter fory of the united states. there was some consensus he was eligible he was eligible to run for the presidency. >> he was born i

the cia covert action in libya is there for a couple of purposes. first of all, one of the great problems that has emerged is that the gaddafi troops wearing civilian guard had infiltrated into the rebels and confused the air attack, so that it has. made it. they want to identify where they are and deploy them. and setting off grenade launchers to identify where the rebels are -- it has allowed the gaddafi forces to use heavy artillery against them. it will be to bring some sense of command and control. >> i keep thinking of "charlie wilson's war." all of a sudden, the law of unintended consequences. >> secretary gates said he did not want to get into the arm ing business. i am more worried about gaddafi himself. gaddafi is maybe mad like a fox, but a mad person, a lot of weaponry, a history as a terrorist. that is what you have to keep your eye on. >> the secretary of defense said openly that there will be no american goods on the ground. you up to ask yourself, what is going on with the cia people in benghazi? they are wearing slippers. >> the pre

there is some cia presence in libya. frankly it was one of those things, there's probably been cia presence in libya for 40 years, but let's not go there. there's presence there right now actively trying to assess the situation with the rebels and potentially lead us to a point where they could actually arm the rebels. explain what this means. the president signs this directive, allows cia operatives to do some things there. what are they doing in this reconnaissance and how are they moving forward? >> well, i think they were there before the covert action finding was signed and it was a smart move. we don't know who these rebels are, who their leaders are, we don't know if they were trained or if we can do anything with them. so sending cia intelligence officers into libya was smart, necessary and i'm sure it was done. now, the question is, if there really is a covert action finding in the works, do we arm these people? i would say that's going to be a tough one. the libyan rebels are not a fighting force, they're not c

>>usted, 28 aÑos en la cia... ha estado en el medio oriente..... de lo que se dice, ¿quÉ piensa de lo que usted sabe que de verdad estÁ pasando? >>bueno, lo que yo sÉ, es que la situaciÓn es muy complicada. hay personal de la agencia trabajando allÍ... josé d.b: estÁn en libia ya. >>segÚn entiendo yo, estÁn en libia. estÁn obteniendo inteligencia, tratando de entender lo que estÁ pasando... quiÉn es quien... cuÁl es la situaciÓn de la oposicion... la capacidad militar que tienen... y mandando esa informaciÓn a washington para que puedan tomar decisiones. >>luis, es un poco raro que estÉn esperando hasta ahora, cuando ya hay una guerra civil en ese paÍs. digo, la cia y los espÍas... ¿no estÁn metidos ahÍ ya de antemano? >>yo creo que sÍ. lo que nosotros sabemos pÚblicamente, es cuando dicen "sÍ, la cia esÁa ahÍ..." y yo espero que la cia ha estado ahÍ semanas, si no un mes o dos meses trabajando con la oposiciÓn. >>el presidente dice que esta operaciÓn, que esta semana pasada se la dieron a la otan completamente... ¡que siguen siendo los americano

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government, particularly the cia and the department of defense. and, and in some of these remarkable incidents that i trace in the book of individual agents out in the field in the cia's black sights in thailand, in afghanistan, in guantanamo under the immense pressure of feeling like that they are in these ticking time bomb scenarios that you mentioned, that the fbi makes a decision that they're not going to participate in enhanced interrogations. that the fbi -- that that's something the cia might be willing to do, the department of defense might be willing to do, but the fbi is not. that they are not willing to participate at the extraordinary remember decisions -- renditions, the ghost planes that end up with dropping these terrorists off in jordan or egypt after 9/11. and, in fact, i tell the story in the book of the first fbi rendition after 9/11. they actually capture a terrorist and bring him back to stand trial here in the united states, and he ends up in an actual civilian court convicted and ends up sentenced to 160 years in the federal

wind like eisenhower came and he answered it lobbied to making head of cia. instead, eisenhower gave the job to allen dulles which left dahlin -- donovan very bitter. donovan always thought that tebow support manager and that he would have been better as cia director. instead, eisenhower made donovan ambassador to thailand, lightly as a consolation prize. with that, a big owl ended there. if you have any questions about what donovan did after the war, a legacy of his organization. >> is it true that donovan handed over to the mkvdr had handed over to soviet intelligence a list of agents of a lesser us in eastern europe? >> i'm not -- >> agents or assets. >> it is a look complicated. donovan proposed in the winter of 1943 to set up a liaison arrangement with the and kgb. he flew to moscow to try and set that up. he thought he had risen no on board with it. the joint chiefs were pretty much on board with the. they actually got something set up with the head of the kgb. when they were going to exchange officers and there was going to be a soviet group that came

panetta's position as head of the cia. those appointments are subject to senate confirmation. >> you're watching c-span2 with politics and public affairs >> british defense secretary, liam fox is back in london after a visit here to washington, d.c. he told members of the british defense committee this week that the government will not deploy british ground troops in libya. during this 90-minute hearing members asked the secretary by financial costs to libya and british response to the situation in syria. >> welcome to the defense committee inquiry into operations in libya. and since you were in the united states yesterday we are grateful to you for coming in so soon after what we presumably was a long and grueling flight. before we begin i would like to make a general announcement about jackets. i never make announcement about whether people have to wear jackets but they don't. anybody wants to remove their jacket, please do. and next, secretary will you introduce your team. hard. >> thank you, chairman. gives me great pr

in lahore he's not a cia agent he's a contractor where there are big gripes has been that contractors who have little professional training and discipline seem to be running rampant all over the country second when he was captured on his person they found a g.p.s. tracking device in the been used to fix targets and north waziristan so he was obviously involved in the drone strikes that were going on there the third a year or so had footage of photographs that were taken the dresses all over the horror of these seems to have been studying very closely connections between pakistani intelligence and some islamic terrorist organizations and i think finally we have the whole issue of nuclear proliferation which also seems to be a nature point of interest for the cia so all this was tied up in ray davis and the tension really had less to do with ray davis and the visual and more to do with the turf war between the american intelligence community and the pakistani senior military and intelligence community and thinking about relationship death in this case and the attention it can bring to l

with limited experience in intelligence the current cia chief leon panetta the next defense secretary there were no military experience if these reports are true what's the point of all these changes. well it's the washington club there's no change you can believe it go back to president obama how he promised to bring in a clean slate it's a washington when he got elected and all he did was bring in the rehashing facts that already existed so whether it's the national security whether it's bringing in hillary clinton for secretary of state whether it was bringing in putra as a former bush general into action into afghanistan or whether was bringing in leon panetta who was really bill clinton's chief of staff it's the washington clogged it's the in naps and the incompetence so there's no way of nurturing fresh talent through the system that's why we're seeing the same old faces isn't exactly a washington is the only place where you become emboldened by your failures let's go and listen to what general petraeus had promised in afghanistan when he was brought in last june he kept talking

the current cia director le panetta wille taken over from obert gates athe dense dertme. is j will be taken by general vid petraeus. wh do these chaes mean for e arica commitment ound e globe? joining us with his pspecve is jack kane. the are so manyhangesn this maj reshuffle parent the most snifintne was robert gates. ho big i that in tes of the mitary commitment? i tnkhat pret signifant. secrary tes has been the most effective secretaryf defense iave known in my litime he has madan eraordinary contbuti. thos are real bishoeto fill andnyon sppininto those shoesould have tou time. >> he sved both the republican and democratic president. whdo y think th he was so fecte? >>e is so experienced. he h worked f sixf seven presents. clearly kno the waf washgton and extremel thoughtful coemplated. he is a tough infighter dner with a large apratu of the u.s. government at the end o the day, it is is judgment >>ou have aeneral going to theia a you have a dipmat getting the top job in afghanistan he will r the war as a civilian. at does that signify aut t way this war in afghastan i

as a director and the other issue of course is making general david petraeus the director of the cia replacing mr panetta and we all know that betray as the author of the guy who came up with this whole surge in iraq in afghanistan is somebody that the neoconservatives certainly like they even were talking about running him for president on the republican ticket with some may question his role there in afghanistan being the u.s. commander that i mean some may say perhaps he hasn't done such a good job i mean they may say is he actually qualified to lead america's intelligence service as a result of what he's supposed to achieve there in afghanistan. this is a dangerous trend we know that michael general michael hayden after he was the n.s.a. national security agency director was placed by president bush over at the cia and now we have general petraeus going in as a director of the cia i think this is what this is showing is that there is a trend to militarize the central intelligence agency which is after all and has always been run by civilians so i think this is yet another dangero

or he would publish a lawyers who used their legal license to cover torture he did nothing about the cia agents are destroying evidence and torture he's becoming the torture again united states it's become very open very plain it's pretty and it's very embarrassing it's time to take some action now if you count p.j. crowley and now you look at laurence tribe that's already two people from the obama administration that have essentially broken ranks or defected over this issue but then again it's only two people do you think. you know the others within the obama administration honestly agree with what they're doing here or is everyone just his character speak out because if we look at p.j. crowley as the example he was forced to resign directly after he made his comments and peter querulous the very same cation when he when he finally did resign he made some comments that have become very prescient he said that in this current world we live in an information travels the globe quickly and people in other countries see what we're doing and the chinese come out a couple weeks later with this

even on purpose i would even say in some parts of president obama has just admitted that there are cia a and m i six operatives in libya helping the rebels and i definitely believe you know britain are playing with fire because they're not selling us what other needs are super powers you might be thinking of doing in the near future but later it is not just out of the for the u.s. there's not enough money enough manpower to get involved in or else in the region right now well the united states for decades every time they need money they just print it as we have just seen with the banking bailout so those the secret of the super power united states of america the fact that they can print money whilst every other country has to earn it that being said i am very very shocked at the fact that nothing's being said about what china will be planning on doing those cia operatives that we hear about well we know that way back in one nine hundred fifty three it was the cia that housed the harm it was something from iran because of oil so the story seems to be and just for the record i can i'd sp

of the surge in iraq and afghanistan general david petraeus looks set to become the new head of the cia but he has questionable experience in intelligence and the current head of the cia leon panetta rumored to be the next man for the job as defense secretary has barely any experience in the military this seems a like a bizarre shuffling of the furniture well indeed it's the recycling of everyone who's been involved in really ten years of u.s. wars is a retired colonel and is a former u.s. diplomat think that we certainly need some new ideas some new initiatives in this in the score that united states is is involved in and just recycling the same old people and switching jobs with them is not the way the you ensure the national security of the united states in my opinion so you're saying a recycling of people here but why why is washington doing this in the first place . well they've obama administration is just continuing the war strategies of the bush administration and in fact obama has increased the war in afghanistan dramatically he's bringing back into to the mix a retired u.s. am

cia it's happening well there's no question about the cia connection to events in libya over thirty year period i mean it's been well publicized so you know here again we have covert ops all these things happening beyond a city and american people are being asked to foot the bill for regime change we're told there's not going to be regime change so it's going to be limited mission expanded mission it is now the administration isn't leveling with the american people and frankly i think that sooner or later the american people are going to understand that and there will be and it's inevitably inevitable will be political consequences for this the problem is we're being dragged into it through into a third war in the region congressman because senator thank you for joining us tonight thank you it's great to know we have strong progressive voices in our government speak truth to power and advocate for peace. is time for our daily poll your chance to tell us what you think here's today's question the new c.n.n. poll claims the tea party's favor ability rating has sunk to just thirty two

modeled a good bet after donovan's vision of what the cia should be.novan wanted to leave that agency. in fact he had intermediaries quietly lobbying truman to see if he could be the head of the cia. ofof course chairman wasn't goig to have anything to do with that. donna that had said mean things about truman on the presidential campaign trail. when dwight eisenhower came in he had surrogate lobby again to make him head of cia. instead eisenhower gave the job to allen dulles which let donovan very bitter even though dulles had worked for donovan heading up his oss station. donovan ali stop the dulles was a poor manager and that he would have been better at the cia director. instead eisenhower made donovan ambassador of thailand i will be glad to field them. >> frank fletcher. is a true that donovan handed over tob and k.b hand over to soviet intelligence a use of agents of oss in eastern europe? >> i am not sure -- well it is a little complicated. donovan proposed in the winter of 1943 to set up a liaison arrangement with the and kgb and he flew to mo

the cia layed off -- laid off thousands of staff and closed many of it overseas stations. and so what ended up happening was that the fbi expanded it in ways that it was not originally set up to do, that it expanded overseas, over the course of the 1990s the cia closed 20 overseas stations, and the fbi opened 22. the fbi has become this huge tool of u.s. foreign policy chasing criminals overseas, chasing terrorists overseas in a way that i don't think that the american public really fully recognizes. >> host: in fact, a line from your book that i wrote down was the u.s. will never go to war without an fbi contingent. >> guest: and so after 9/11 you have fbi agents on the ground in afghanistan, in iraq that the fbi now has agents deployed in 80 countries overseas, most of them not in war zones, obviously, but that the fbi has grown this huge international presence such that the bureau now has an overseas force that's about a tenth of the size of the entire u.s. foreign service. >> host: 202-585-3885 is our phone number for you to join in the conversation as we talk about th

that we hear of oh well we know that way back in one nine hundred fifty three it was a cia that housed the most are they from iran because of oil so the story seems to repeat and just for the record i could i was speaking from argentina where the cia had backed military with oratory in coups in chile and in argentina and the consequences have been horrendous so every time i hear about the cia being pulled on the rebels i become very concerned for those people's livelihood. well as the military campaign in libya rages on questions remain over how far the coalition might decide to go on the ground and next hour in cross talk on r.t. people of l's going to share their views about the issue. the reality is that obama despite him saying that the call is natural move could our feet on the ground that's what's happening in a course everyone anyone will tell you behind the scenes that is the goal if you look at the last twenty four hour news cycle you'll see that there are special forces on the ground in libya right now and in an afghanistan style scenario that is the first step towards ever g

calling on other countries to increase military pressure on it nothing but we cannot cross to former cia counterterrorism analyst michael scheuer to hear his take on nato operation there in libya thanks so much for joining us live there on r.t. now at that meeting hillary clinton said that colonel gadhafi is testing our determination and of course we're hearing about growing disagreements inside the alliance why do you think gadhafi is proving to be such a tough challenge. well gadhafi knows what he's doing and he also knows that the west is utterly feckless that it really doesn't have any any determination to get rid of him and as soon as we kill a skills few civilians which will be event inevitable in the in the bombing by nato . alliance will will fall apart and they'll make a peace with gadhafi i think that's what he believes what you mean by the west is not going to get rid of him but what you mean by that. well you know it's doesn't take a lot of common sense to see that airpower has done about all it can do it for the last week or so they've continued to attack in the gadhafi forc

now he's going out of the cia and cia is this is this did that in in in serbia and we will there and there will and will this in the middle east to make it more difficult frankly for democracy movements to emerge. i think that's a difficult question to answer i'll give you my two cents on where where i see things stand as they stand right now in egypt i think where the u.s. back to taper ship of hosni mubarak was brought down by this popular uprising there's a real risk that there be that egypt will enter a sustained period of mubarak after mubarak where some of his thugs and henchmen and apparatchiks and up essentially running the country in the same way that mubarak was running it and i think that it really is up to primarily the young people in that country to really stay consistent and energetic and trying to say no that's not what we fought for but that revolution could very well go the way of returning to the status quo of the mubarak era without mubarak and i think there's a real risk for that in libya. i think that one of the scariest things from a u.s. perspective is that th

we're talking about the cia, clandestine group of folks.dent authorized the cia to go into libya. i think you can pull this off. what are your thoughts on that? >> thank you for thinking of it in that regard. "m.a.s.h" is actually one of the inspirations for this show. "m.a.s.h" "get smart," a couple of coen brothers movies, it's a template we look towards, so thank you for that. it was a fantastic show. in the landscape of tv now, you're right, it is hard to look at a show like this and find the comedy in it or find a way for it to work. we hope it has the kind of reaction, to see if it works. >> did you worry what you do would be confused with the chaos on "get smart"? >> the only thing is we have a phone inside our shoe. >> all cia agents do. >> right. the cone of silence was very important though. where all the missions come together. >> do me a favor. each of you, just give us a 20-second description of your individual character. >> 20 seconds is a lot to describe my character. michael is the leader of this small group of guys. he's no

and if you hand it over to the cia as well, you could say that the cia kind of failed us in libya.ey were there until about a month ago in tripoli. they didn't see any of this coming. they didn't pick out the bad actors and good actors prior to this. that's why he had to have that special written permission for them now to go see who are the rebels exactly. we should have known that. the cia should have known that and had this laid out and seen this coming. they didn't do that well in egypt either. to hand over to the cia to let them pick and choose who we're going to give weapons to now -- i think we've seen with afghanistan that's not always the right thing to do. >> congressman duncan hunter. thank you very much. thanks for joining us today. >>> and up next, budget battle. if the government shuts down, who's going to be blamed? politico's roger simon joins us next. ♪ [ male announcer ] the davis twins... ...are alike in nearly every way... ...right down to brushing their teeth. so how did only one get gingivitis? well, one in two people do. so i told karen about new crest pro-he

and what making the cia presence in libya does this temple wanted in. syria because it looks like the libyan rebels can't really do anything on their own but it also suggests to the american people that perhaps eventually there's an endgame here somewhere on the other hand this might be someone in the administration is very unhappy with how the war is going so far even the fact that we have a war and so they similarly a trying to leak something in order to generate some sort of criticism from congress or from the media do you think that at the rate that we keep finding this information right out i mean considering the fact that obama signed this finding a couple of weeks ago i feel like we're it we're just catching up right every two weeks so can we assume the crabs we do already have special ops on the ground is no one told us about yet. if it's possible in this case the denials have been so categorical that will be very embarrassing for the administration came out and they want to turn that we had special forces i think the administration really wants