whether it was the cia, the cold war, what made him the trouble legion? >> it is a historical ks and unusual that agents come in various stripes the largest low-level people who decide for whatever reason and they're well-trained double agents who spent years behind enemy lines to cultivate information and these are the very special agents and our trouble agent is none of these. he came from a very al qaeda sympathetic background and the fletcher deutsch circumstances to become an informant for the cia being in al qaeda's camp so they played this game and made them a triple agent working for al qaeda the whole time for the united states. >> host: let's take a step back. each person who dealt with this, what did each person think they were getting from him before the deals were carried out in afghanistan? >> guest: the way he came to the agency to begin with was as a blocker for the g. hart website. he was a very radicalized smart young man who lived a fairly normal life in a modular and he decided to write this internet blog under an assumed name and did

it recently enough the biggest victories when the cia working within the eisel team tracked osama bin laden to a safe house, identified him, rated the house and told the person who had been the top american most wanted fugitive for almost a decade but there's been failures along the way. my guest joby warrick has written a gripping narrative book about one of those setbacks in the war which was a triple agent, not a goebel agent who lead to the collette to the worst loss of life when he built up in afghanistan killing seven agents my guess what is joby warrick he's covered intelligence for the "washington post" and has been there for more years than he wants to mention. it's good to have you here. let's talk about the title of the book. history is had double agents whether it was in the cia or the cold war. >> guest: this is historical and unusual in the sense that agents and informants, and various stripes sometimes low level who decide for whatever reason decide to sell secrets or their knowledge to an intelligence agency sometimes well-trained double agents who spent years behind t

and he could even some of the cia to commit these acts.t was sort of a nice showcase for him as we'll. >> host: he was willing to effect would to have his own person killed for that reason had to and masood like his every time someone is killed by the cia it creates 10 recruits for me. >> host: we talked about this odd relationship between a doctor who spoke english and arabic, growth and a relative family and masood, religious, very extremist, living in tribal lawless regions of pakistan. they formed a very effective relationship. another relationship you have in the is between a cia agent, and the transfer agent who runs. tell me about how those to work together and what fears if anything began to develop about. >> guest: two interesting men from different backgrounds. he is a creature day as those officer who was quite western by standards of his colleagues at intelligence agency. he studied in a state, had an internship with john kerry when he was in college. big baseball fan. he loved to talk about his time in american and he would ta

he was upset with the cia. he thought the cia had misled them. partly, you have to understand this was escape going and i don't mean mean this being highly critical. before the final invasion arnold schwarzenegger wrote a memo saying if something bad should happen somebody's neck has to go on the chopping block and it can't be the president. .. >> one more question and then -- >> just to ask you, does the book explore the reason why alan dulles was in puerto rico, left to run probably one of the highest profile operations the cia had planned in many, many years to joe bissell -- >> richard bissell. >> richard business l who was an underling of his? >> yeah. in dulles' papers i found the invitation, it was from the young presidents' association of america. basically, this was a retreat for young american executives, and they'd invited alan dulles to come talk to them. and dulles went because it was thought if he didn't go, it would be a tipoff to castro that the invasion was about to happen, and that if he did go to puerto rico, it would be one mo

he was upset with the cia. he thought the cia had misled him. partly, though, you have to understand that was scapegoating, and i don't mean that as being highly critical. look, even before the invasion arthur schlesinger wrote a memo saying if something bad should happen, somebody's neck has to go on the chopping block, and it can't be the president's. and so it was the cia's, and the -- that's partly the job of the cia, you know? they have to take the heat when things like this happen. and they, they, um, you know, it was, it was their baby, and bissell, it was the end of his career, certainly. he went and worked at a corporation in connecticut the rest of his life, and, um, it changed the lives of many people in the cia whose careers were basically -- not just the top three guys, but ended with that. kennedy's goal was he wanted to shatter the cia into a thousand pieces. he didn't do that, but he was certainly upset. can we have time for one more? let's do one more question here and then we'll -- >> just to ask you, does the book explore the

they are his handlers as far as the cia isoncerned. >> yes. >> rose: the cia bought intowha. >> exactly >> rose: that's e weaknesshere. >> the americans never talked to him directly. they were able to send messages to him, but never directly dealt with him. >> rose: that's almost a policy. >> exactly. we tend to trust our liaison agenci, our friends, to do some of this difficult human intelligence. it's never been the strong suit of the congressman we're good the technology and eaves -- of the cia. we're good at the technology and eavesdroing. >> rose: he goes to thejordaniam what? >> that he can lead them directly to the number two of al-qaeda. >> rose: who's now the numberon? >> number one. he began to show he was in the presence of this man, he'd become his doctor. at he's a diabetic, he has medical issues. he began to send information about him, information that the cia could corroborate because of their own knowledge of the man. >> rose: hwas actuallytreating i >> exactly. the pretense was to get medicine for al-zawahiri to treat him for the diabetes. it was a perfectly plausible r

the cia did an internal review. what lessons did they take away from that? what have they concluded from this about how they bungled this so badly? >> there's lots of anguish and grief because of the loss of these people. they did look back and find not just little things that went wrong, but systemic problems such as the failure to be attentive to counterintelligence, which is the handling of informants, to make sure you have experienced people in places. there has been a lot of soul searching and a lot of change because of this accident. >> warner: did anyone pay a price? >> you know, that's been a criticism of the cia, but its typical of the way they work. they try to keep their problems internal. this is an agency that doesn't like to be in the spotlight anymore than it has to be. in this case, it was deemed that mistakes were made by people who in this case weren't alive anymore. some commissions were set up, studies were made. no one was disciplined, as far as we can tell. but things, hopefully, have changed regardless of that. >> warner: joby warrick,

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as a case to go to war the whole purpose of the cia was to leave those people out of langley that's why they're not in washington or in northern virginia away from the white house away from congress leave them alone ask them what they think but don't tell them to rethink their positions because then you come up with nonsense like we saw did ministration have decided very early on that saddam should go and that in itself is not a bad. goal but of course everything depends on how you do it when how where with whom it's set or delay in decision in an action could leave to a massive and sudden harm it simply makes no sense to wait any longer to take action before it's too late we will not wait it was a rushed and are you was done i believe in three or four weeks which is really fast for that. it wasn't done earlier from what i understand because the bush administration didn't want such a document that had care of yachts that's why they never asked for a comprehensive national intelligence estimate within the intelligence community on this particular problem because they knew the intelligenc

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the cia isn't able to do gymnastics spying and the f.b.i. isn't able to do it without having profit probable cause and without having evidence of wrongdoing so it's very easy for the n.y.p.d. to get involved and become the boss crawlers and become the people that infiltrate the muslim community in search for terrorists so essentially they're spying on innocent people for absolutely no reason they're just suspecting that these people are terrorists just because they are muslims. which in my opinion is racial profiling and you're not only one to say so too we've seen a number of organizations that are already saying that this could be illegal there's profiling going on and they want to further investigation but here's the interesting part so the n y p d for starters is they're denying these claims that they have any of these rakers or these people to go to the mosques and the cia had a really interesting attitude about it i want to read you a quote here from a cia spokeswoman jennifer young but she said it should not be a surprise to anyone th

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a couple of senior administration officials leaked to bob novak that my wife was a cia op. involved in the weapons of mass destruction business at the c.s.t. your consideration. he very typically the president vice president cabinet officers and the top of the white house going out of their way to get that information out i'm going to go back to old time magazine it one of the information . that's against a statutory law that prohibits the if occasion a cia operative's what you're doing when you expose a cia officer officer of any name you're basically taking their entire career and flush it down the toilet also as a potential look i see the person in jeopardy because of their operations and their own operations and people they want written in jeopardy so to say very much will act against the ambassador to try to hurt him by curteous whites but we're if not we root physical but i've never seen a dirty trick that could be a hit present the united states and didn't ministration who has come to office on a platform of restoring dignity and honor to the white house what they di

so there you have it ladies and gentlemen who want to share the details about the cia's mistakes and flubs over the vent that changed this country forever it's a pretty big mistake so i guess it's understandable that they're going to do everything they can to try to keep it out of the spotlight but i have a hard time understanding why the cia is censoring this information most of which is already public but like everything else that we see these days under the obama administration it seems like everything leans more towards a censorship site rather than if we free flow of information now they argue that it's for the sake of protecting the people it is much more about protecting their image the cia the rest of our government what everyday americans to know about what happened in history the way that they want it remembered now the way that it really happened and according to the new york times that black banners is approaching a deadline unless something drastically changes soon the publishers will go forward with this book with all of the cia's editorial changes so i'm hopefully some

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well looks like the cia is at it again censoring a book for publishing unflattering information about the agency so a former cia agent a forty year old lebanese american is writing a book called the black banners the inside. story of nine eleven in the war against al qaeda and indeed his book so fond gives details on several different events like nine eleven and they include details about the cia amongst those details so fine explains how the intelligence agency missed a chance to do rail the terrorist plot by withholding information from the f.b.i. about the two hijackers when they were living in san diego before the attack there's also information on our photo of one of the nine eleven hijackers are actually had been sent to the cia a year before the twin towers were attacked and the other also talks about their brutal interrogation techniques dubbing them as counterproductive and necessary so we should know that this information has been disclosed in the past it's public whether it be congressional hearings where soufan testified himself memoirs from other officials or even just na

they wanted to believe that there was a connection but the cia was sitting there the f.b.i. was sitting there i was sitting there saying we've looked at this issue for year for years we've looked for a connection let's there's no connection saddam was in. or he was a terrible feeling yes but he was not willing to sacrifice his own life. just as he answers terrorists as completely antithetical to using al-qaeda has had total contempt for saddam hussein himself he's been a socialist he's been very harsh he's treated islamic leaders aslan misleaders extremely archly rock and we have come very good intelligence on this was not heart of the picture of terrorism before we invaded saddam hussein and bin laden were enemies and ladan considered and said that saddam hussein was the socialist infidel these were very different kinds of individuals competing for power in their own way and saddam hussein made very sure that al qaida couldn't function. in iraq that terrorists couldn't function except for the small northeastern quadrant of the country where there was an extremist group that

the cia began building its base there in 1955 with the u-2 spy plane because the cia wanted to spy on russia and see what they were doing, and one of the other men i enterer intiewed in -- interviewed in my book was harvey stockman who just passed a few months ago. ment men i interviewed with really in the last chapter of their lives, but herbie explained what it was like to be the first man to fly over the soviet union in a u-2, and yes, he agitated the russians greatly and there was fallout between the eisenhower administration and the soviets because of the spying going on, but at the same time what he brought back in the film canisters of his u-2 was over 400,000 square feet of film, of spy footage about what was going on in the soviet union, and as he said to me that the cia was able to learn and understand that, in fact, the soviets were not lining up for world war iii as many members of the air force wanted to believe. certainly, general lemay, a character in the book as well, you may call him an antagonist. when you consider the cia's job is to present intelligence to the pres

the cia layed off -- laid off thousands of staff and closed many of it overseas stations. and so what ended up happening was that the fbi expanded it in ways that it was not originally set up to do, that it expanded overseas, over the course of the 1990s the cia closed 20 overseas stations, and the fbi opened 22. the fbi has become this huge tool of u.s. foreign policy chasing criminals overseas, chasing terrorists overseas in a way that i don't think that the american public really fully recognizes. >> host: in fact, a line from your book that i wrote down was the u.s. will never go to war without an fbi contingent. >> guest: and so after 9/11 you have fbi agents on the ground in afghanistan, in iraq that the fbi now has agents deployed in 80 countries overseas, most of them not in war zones, obviously, but that the fbi has grown this huge international presence such that the bureau now has an overseas force that's about a tenth of the size of the entire u.s. foreign service. >> host: 202-585-3885 is our phone number for you to join in the conversation as we talk about th

bush ignore the cia. read for who flew down to crawford i mean they sent a special guide out across particular that famous memo that condi rice finally had to blur the name out before congress you know determine a strike inside the united states and then after he got the memo he was scheduled to go back to d.c. but instead he extended his vacation for a couple weeks nothing happened and then he went longest presidential vacation history back to george washington and then he went to his brother's state of florida rather than going back to d.c. and jeb knocked down the entire state. it makes one wonder if bush was just like waiting for something awful happened maybe didn't know what it was i'm not trying to play you know the nine eleven conspiracy theorist here but. what was going on with that well i think all the investigations will show for move the nine eleven commission the congressional investigations they're going to a lot of investigations of this is that the bush administration just from terrorism w

plus what's next for libya and everyone involved we'll speak with a former cia agent who questions the end game for libya. america's the greatest country in the world but it didn't get that way but it's over mccain and lieberman there's a new neo con poster boy in town so as conservatives turn to cuban american marco rubio to win over latino votes are they forgetting something they his stance on immigration. anything it's wednesday august twenty fourth seven pm here in washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster and you're watching r.t. libya's moammar gadhafi is wanted dead or alive there's a one point six million dollars bounty on his head he's a large though he pledged overnight an address to the nation that he will fight until victory or martyrdom meanwhile though the rebels have seized the colonel's compound the rebel leaders are reportedly moving their headquarters to tripoli the question becomes then what will the government look like and oppose khadafi libya and of course who are the rebel leaders that will come to power well the national transitional council though they haven't been ele

he ran the cia war against the russians in afghanistan. he was the one that was in charge of the smuggling in the arms. one of howard's most remark many stories was when she was in iraq when he took over, the guard found him shortly after he was paying off a double agent in the secret police and started to stalk him to death. the two guys. they were well on the way when howard pulled out a gun and killed them both. he made his way back, didn't complain about his injuries, because he wanted to stay on the job. eventually got out and when he got out back to america, he looked at him and said the only time i've seen internal injuries this bad were in head on car wrecks and they were dead. he lives now in incredible amounts of pain. he's a very, very brave man. but in any event, involved in helping me get things right. >> among the people you credit, leon panetta, william cohen. >> one of my best friends. >> if you were to read the list before you read the book, you would think you were very well checked, shall we say, and might even have, you

cia officer jack rice so i asked him if he thinks that the cia could have been playing a role in libya even before this uprising even began here's what he said hold your i.q. let's be honest the cia is involved in every place that they tried to get involved they were at least on the ground in egypt they tried to be on the ground everywhere in every major country in the region in tripoli is one of those places you would have expected to have so to deny it would i think would be naive so i think what it's percentage would assume it is talking about is a reasonable question but i think one of the problems that we have is the u.s. has a very schizophrenia relationship in sort of approach to the middle east in general we talk about democracy and how we're supporting the rebels and how incredibly important this was to protect human life it's cetera but we need that very soon argument in egypt but that ignores the fact that we supported mubarak for decades as our very closest ally in the region now how do you reconcile that those two i think there's a lot of people in the middle east who are

days after the president's state of the union address, mike morel, the presumptive director of the cia now told a staffer we're not going to use that because we don't believe it, so they had lots of time, and it was never an apology, i don't think, anybody needed out of an administration that wasn't prone to apologize in the first place, it was just an admission they were wrong, which hopefully at that time would have encouraged the journalistic press to look into other things they might have misled the american public about. >> i want to read another passage from the book. this is cheney after rice's apology. >> she came in my office, sat down in the chair next to my desk and tearfully admitted that i had been right. in an interview, cheney defended his use of the word "tearfully." listen to this. >> was she crying? >> she was tearful. that's what i wrote. if i'd wanted to say she was crying, i'd said she was crying. >> you know tearfully is a loaded description for powerful women in high office, it's going to be seen by a lot of people as provocative. could you have left that word ou

and as far as cia is concerned, you know, they can't -- they can't spy domestically.hey can only spy overseas, so in a lot of ways what the enidea was doing, having cia officers oversee their collection blurred the line between domestic and foreign intelligence. >> for its part the new york police department not apologizing for this. they said, listen, it is our responsibility to do everything within the law to protect the citizens of the city seen as a major target in this country for terrorists. >> right, and, i mean, look, the enidea on the record denies that they have rakers and mosque crawlers. they say they only go where leads take them, you know, but they do say, look, we make no apologies for pushing the envelope. we're the number one target, and we have to behave that way. it's interesting there's been very little oversight of the enidea for the past ten years. when the fbi starts a program or the cia starts a program, congress has to, you know, hold hearings and, you know, mueller has to go up to the hill and talk about it. that's not happening here, you kno

he has cia in the middle but unfortunately cia is in the position of being able to question those pervasion when somebody in the white house summons up the courage to say look this is ridiculous you know to fund those with disk. or is there a list of mahler who shows a grad student has it within the past and says look i professionals as a real professional you guys were hacks as were contractors that you were hired to do the job and you did it in a reasonable way you tortured water boarded teaching you how to have been eaten three times if your break was it means. you were an analyst at the cia for many years analyze this for me for some of us that we're seeing coming out in these books from rumsfeld to george w. bush to dick cheney and these mistakes or looking back regarding iraq regarding afghanistan how do these different versions of history kind of play into what's going on now in libya in syria how do these different versions affects the decisions that will that have been made since and will be made in the future it's a really good question the very fact that directly ok take libya no

implanting regime change before protests broke out in benghazi in february and did the cia that have a role in creating this civil war earlier i spoke with a journalist and he is a former cia officer himself jack right and i asked him if he thinks the cia was playing a role in the via even before this uprising and the process began here's what he said. let's be honest the cia is involved in every place they try to get involved they were at least on the ground in egypt they tried to be on the ground everywhere in every major country in the region in tripoli is one of those places you would have expected them so to deny it. so i think what percentage what is to just talking about is a reasonable but i think one of the problems that we have is the u.s. has a very strict different relationship in sort of approach to the middle east in general talk about democracy and how we're supporting the rebels and how incredibly close to protect human rights etc but we've made that very same argument in egypt but that ignores the fact that we supported barak for decades as our very closest ally in t

and you have cia in the middle but unfortunately there's a position of being able to question of the supervision of when somebody in the white house summons up the courage to say look this is ridiculous you're going to fund those with the sky. as i was probably our show's a good student has been in the past and has work for professionals as a real professional you guys were hurt as were contractors and were hired to do the job and you did it in the reasonable way you tortured water boarded. if you return home you agree with that name you know what you were an analyst for the cia for many years i am always this for me some of those that we're seeing coming out in these books from rumsfeld to george bush to dick cheney and these mistakes or looking back regarding iraq regarding afghanistan how do these different versions of history kind of play into what's going on now in libya in syria how do these different versions of fact the decisions that will that have been made since and will be made in the future it's a really good question would be for it to correctly ok take libya you know l

was outed as a cia agent. joining me tonight, valerie plame and her husband, former u.s.sador, joe wilson. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you for having us. >> good to be with you, lawrence. >> condoleezza rice realized some time later that it was wrong for president bush to include those 16 words, and here's dick cheney's account of what happened then. "i was under the impression the president had decided against a public apology and was surprised you days later when national security adviser condoleezza rice told the u.s. press pool we wouldn't have put it in the speech if we'd known what we know now." joe, should they have put it in the speech based on what they knew then and then based on what they knew later? >> well, of course, they should not have, in fact, george tenet had communicated to condi rice and steve hadley three times before a september speech in cincinnati telling them do not use this niger information, we don't believe it, and then articulated the reasons they don't believe it. indeed, just a couple of days after the president's state

police department, traveling -- >> they're current cia officers. >> on the cia payroll, working withth the nypd. we should point out the new york police department has put out a statement saying the new york police department is doing everything it can to assure that there's not another 9/11 here and more innocent new yorkers are killed by terrorists. we have nothing to apologize for in that regard. that from nypd spokesman paul broune. what's the biggest complaint with this program that you found in your investigation? >> one of the things that is little known that they do, they have this program called the demographics program. it was described to us by officers involved as they were mapping the human terrain of the city. they were putting undercover officers, ethnic officers, inside middle eastern neighborhoods of stocity and th job is to hang out and blend in and look for things that are suspicion. and that could be something as simple as who is looking at radical books in a bookstore and who is looking at al jazeera and applaud about a report about an ied in iraq and that could