want to write about the cia. the most basic kind of relationship you have between the press and the agency is that a reporter will go and have lunch with an agent of the cia and he will get some background information that he can use. the cia is often a valuable source of intelligence for reporters. at a certain point, intelligence work and the press are doing the same kind of thing for very different reasons in terms of getting information. so if you're getting a lot of good stuff from the cia, you do not necessarily want to do anything that is going to aggravate them or to close down the source of information. the press wants to keep access. had anw york times" arrangement with the cia in the 60's were every once in a while they would put reporters in the cia and would get briefed 40 background. deepas in -- for background. it was a mutually beneficial relationship. there were reporters that wanted to cooperate. there was joseph alsop, a famous columnist went beyond trading went beyond-- who trading information

the saturday evening post, byget a reporter, brief him the cia, so all this information that the cia wants out that it can't necessarily come out and tell people about, and then sent to those reporters to europe and have them report things the cia is giving them and presenting it as information that has come about through just basic reporting practice. mr. scully: if david hadley had unfettered access to go to the cia headquarters, see everything, talk to anyone, what would you look for? mr. hadley: i would look for any who is thethor -- publisher of the "new york times" for the early period of my project. he is there until the 1960's. and whether or not the cia paid him to cooperate with them. because that is a question that has been debated quite a bit and i would really like to find out about that. mr. scully: how did you go about researching this dissertation? who did you talk to and what was available to you? mr. hadley: well, a lot of things are available in terms of government files from the freedom of information act. the freedom of information act reveals a lot about some co

the cia had invented one. a little hand held communication device, and they were probably spending millions of dollars on this technology at headquarters, so they said to the moscow station let's give this to the guy. and, of course, in moscow it was a different can thing because here tolkachev was providing photograph copies of thousands of pages of documents. what was he going to peck into that tiny little hand held communicator that would be very interesting? nobody b knew. but, following orders, the moscow station gave him the little device. but they first decided before we ask him to use it, we ought to test it. because a great deal of the wonder of espionage and the success of it was not so much in the things you see on television, you know? there are no car chases in this story. but there's a lot of choreography. a lot of this is about how people behave, how they look on the street. having a meeting with a spy in a park looking just normal, carrying on normal routines, escaping the eye of the kgb that w

but the cia agents are angry. rogue. >> again, i improvised for myself. i took control. >> aren't they supposed to be running you rather than you running them? >> in the ideal world, probably, yes. >> bottom line, the cia can't be picky. to locate and eliminate al awlaki, they need storm, and they are willing to pay if his plan works. you get $250,000 from the cia when aminah crosses into yemen. >> that's correct. >> after seven weeks, storm's sent back to vienna for another meeting with aminah, the next step in the matchmaking. he shows her this video from al awlaki. >> this recording is done specifically for sister aminah. the brother who's carrying this recording is a trustworthy brother. >> what's her reaction when she's watching that video? >> she's full of joy and tears. you do really know him, she says. you do really know him. >> i hope you are well. >> then storm has her record a video for al awlaki in return. >> my brother, it's me, aminah, and i just want to tell you that right now i feel nervous, and th

joseph alsop offered to get a reporter briefed by the cia, so all this information that the cia wants out, that it can't necessarily just come out and tell people about, and then send those reporters to europe and have them report things that the cia is giving them. and presenting it as information that has come about through just basic reporting practice. >> so, if david hadley had unfettered access to go to the cia headquarters in virginia, see everything, talk to anyone, what would you look for? >> i would look for any file on arthur hayes sulzberger, who is the publisher of the "new york times" for the early part of my project, he's there until the 1960s. and whether or not the cia actually paid him to cooperate with them, because that's a question that's been debated quite a bit. i'd really like to find out about that. >> how did you go about researching this dissertation in where did you go for information? who did you talk to? and what was available to you? >> well, a lot of things are available in terms of government files from the freedom of information act. the freedom of in

the cia had invented one.a handheld communication device and they're probably spending millions of dollars on technology at headquarters said they sent to the mosque is stationed, let's give this to the sky. in moscow is a different thing because he or tolkachev was providing autographed copies of thousands of pages of documents. while this is going to pack into the handheld communicator that would be interesting. nobody knew. following orders, the moscow station gave him the device but before we ask them to use it, we have to test it because the great deal of the wonder of espionage in the success of the was not so much the things you see on television. paragraph car chases in the story but there's a lot of choreography. a lot of this is how people behave, how they look on the street, having a meeting with the spy in a park, looking normal, carried on normal routines and escaping the kgb everywhere. so they took the device to a vegetable market. the chief of station and his wife took it out and try to test it

i love the cia, warts and all.has done a lot of good things and some disastrous things, no question about that. to me what was most important was the mission. as long as the u.s. remains a global power you need to have a cia and that means burning down the current cia and selling salt and building up something new, that is the way i see it. the cia has a critical mission given the historical role of the united states and we try to do the best we can. i can get into a debate with you as to whether the overthrow of that was done well or not. it was not bad, probably as good as it gets. there was a lot we didn't see, the iranian revolution, some serious mistakes before 9/11, after 9/11 for some period of time we did pretty well at least while i was there. these other people when i handed over god knows that i take your point. >> i don't know you nor have i read your book. high was in the peace corps in nigeria in 65. i never left that sense of being a peace corps volunteer boy worked in cobble ten times and i went bac

the cia are the collectors of last resort. if you can't get a piece of information, you call in the cia to do that. and you've got to have very clear goals on what you are trying to collect and how you try to have a perspective. right now as the numbers in our country are increasing, we have to have even more intelligence. when the problem with the fight against isis and syria and iraq, we don't have enough on the ground human intelligence. part of that is because we don't have enough people in the region. so that is something where my good friends, ambassador ryan crocker, he is one of the best foreign services ever produced. he said you need more pumps and wing tips on the ground. that's going to prevent us from having boots on the ground. if i was there, i would be aggressive. we would be in hard place. but we would have clear collection priorities. >> having spent time in yemen, langley, cia, afghanistan, what worries you the most as a member of congress? what should americans be most concerned about? >> the micro actors h

either of the cia.i have done disastrous things but to me it is most important is the mission as we remain a global power but that means to do something new then that is what we have to do we do the best that we can with the overthrow was done well but to put him in power 25 years that is not bad. edits as probably as good as it gets. there is some serious mistakes before then 11 and after 9/11 for some period of time i thought we did pretty well at least while i was there. [laughter] >> i don't know you nor have i read your book but i was in the peace corps in 65 and i have worked in a couple maybe 10 times. then i went back on my own after a project with the minister of finance with the anti-corruption that gets a laugh from everyone. but then i could walk around in a couple one time i went to military camp they said can i take you back to the hotel? a said i would grab a taxi but i have been to the compound and i am putting you into a box of the state department and the embassy that you were so isola

he was a very, very reserved fellow, even to the cia. sometimes he would write in little bullet point or diagrams. he wasn't someone who give off a lot of emotion. but he had in his mind that something had gone wrong there. and you know what? everybody that's come out has told us something was wrong. >> thank you. >> well, i want to thank you so much for joining us this evening, and i would like to invite all of you to come to the back of the room to meet the author and to get a book. please join in thanking david hoffman. [applause] >> booktv is on twitter. follow was to get publishing news, schedule updates, author information and to doctor with authors during our live programs. twitter.com/booktv. >> now from politics & prose bookstore in washington, d.c., evan thomas, former washington bureau chief for "newsweek" recalls the life of america's 37th president richard nixon. >> [inaudible conversations] >> good evening. i'm bradley graham, co-owner of politics and prose along with my wife. and on behalf of the entire staff i would like

: showdown at the american psychological association over the use of psychologists working with the cia and pentagon on interrogations. we will hear from dissident psychologists and pulitzer prize winning new york times author james risen. and we will hear highlights from the first republican debate of the 2016 race. >> mr. trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don't use a politicians filter. however, that is not without its downside particular, when it comes to women. you have called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. your twitter cloud -- account -- line >> only rosie o'donnell. amy: all of that and more coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting from toronto, canada. 10 leading republican presidential candidates faced off in the first debate of the 2016 presidential election thursday night in cleveland. the main topics of the primetime debate included immigration, abortion, the soper claimed islamic state, and u.s. health care system. du

the cia is desperate to find al qaeda leaders like al awlaki. and storm is exactly what the cia needs. >> i had these different names. i had different personalities. i was morten storm, murad storm,

mike is former cia covert operator. joins us now. do you know, if you were with the cia, you worked undercover, do you think or do you know whether or not we responded or retaliated in any way against these people who hacked us? >> well, yeah, i mean it would be naive to think we don't have our own offensives capabilities and efforts. that doesn't make what the russians or chinese or state-sponsored or individual hackers do okay. because their motivations and what they're after is different than the way that we act. but, at the same time, yes, i mean we're very good. in fact i would argue we're the best at the business. stuart: do you know this? i mean that is important. not just speculation? you know this, if we wanted to have a go at them via their computing systems we could do it? you know that? >> yeah. we have the best people in the business frankly, that's what i'm saying. without going into the weeds and talking about things we're not supposed to talk about, we better hope, and public should

candidate at ohio state university to talk about the cia and the press in the early days of the cold war. this interview is from the annual meeting for society of historians of american foreign relations. it's 20 minutes. >> david hadley, graduate of gettysburg college and a doctoral candidate at the ohio state university in columbus, let's talk about times like these, the press and the cia brought in the early cold war, in researching this, what did you learn? >> well, what i really learned is that the cia and the press had a pretty at times contentious and very multivaried relationship between the two of them, and it was really founded early on in this common understanding of cold war struggle that the united states is facing this new threat after world war ii, and the soviet union, and that there's in the early days, there's a really strong sense that had to work together in order to advance american interests, but over time, that really declined, and so when the press starts as an institution pushing back against the cia more, that's when the agency really got into trouble in a b

>> no. >> i think it's cia's dirty tricks. >> cia did it. >> does silence mean assent?[ laughter ] >> we're coming together now. >> okay, we're okay now. >> hi, just simply in the interest of fairness, would respond a little bit on the senate select committee on intelligence study on rendition interrogation was a partisan political study. it was not two side. there are further facts that need to come out from those who are able to, i think, correct some of the misstatements in the senate study. that has not happen yet. i hope it will happen because i do believe the american public needs to know the truth of all of this, the senate study is not the full truth. >> was there any truth in it? >> sorry? >> was there any truth in it? >> of course there was some truth in it. it was a cherry picked selective presentation of information to support a narrative that was made before this report actually was even started. the announced purpose of the report of the study, if i'm correcting chairman feinstein or quoting chairman fooeinstein correctly, it's to this never happens again,

joining us now, former directsor of the cia and nsa, now a principal of the cehertock grou. >> it's been your job to protect classified material for very long time. this morning you wake up and you find out that the secretary of state, for several years, had classified documents going through a server that was in an apartment loft bathroom in denver, colorado. can you even begin to tell us what you would have done if you found out someone working with you while you're at the cia had done this? >> let me turn that around, joe and ask a slightly different question. what would i have done as the director of nsa against a foreign minister who had done that? i'd move heaven and earth to access the private e-mail account of a foreign minister. and i really go after an e-mail account in which the official and the unofficial e-mails were co-mingled. you put a very juicy target out there. >> how easy would that be? >> well, fraly, not very difficult if you have the resources and talented foam eeo go after it. they do this all the time against better defended targets than we saw in the loft in the

it could be the cia. it could be in black sites.t could be fined governments that do interrogations on our behalf. it could be either contractors. we are prohibited psychologists from being involved in any of those. human exception has to do with domestic law enforcement where constitutional law, maranda rights apply that we carve that out for the time being. we are fully aware that abuses go on domestically as well and we're very concerned about that. but this particular issue has to do with the fact that responsibles were for our nation's torture program. and now the apa is no longer supporting psychologists in those roles, but actively and clearly opposing any possibility of psychologists claim those roles. amy: what a summit does participate? what does it mean to pass the resolution? >> that would be very serious because this resolution is impermissible. we are moving to make sure that such people will be held accountable for ethics violations. if someone is held accountable for an ethics violation at the american pchological as

encourage by the cia and pakistan pakistanis. and he was also the one who befriended osama bin laden. i went there in 1980 to ask him with a reporter if he was training kasmiris, he was, that was the lead and the beginning of the conflict in india in 1989. he was also very hospitable, he didn't care i was an american, he didn't care what passport i had, he didn't care what he told me. it was very much matter of fact. yes, i'm in favor of global jihad, anybody who wants to take it up can come here and train with me. he's also the one who by friended osama bin laden. he's rumored to be in a nursing home somewhere in pakistan, but his sons continue to maintain the network, and this is the backside of the camp. that's a captured russian tank. this is the backside, you can see how well it's folded into the draws of that terrain. very difficult to see from above and very difficult for a missile to land in. a dry river bed. right across the border from what is called pakistan. these camps are still active. one of the more ethnic groups

observe how do you the cia reacts to the lawyer lawyering you are doing? caroline: i experience with the agency from my time at the justice department and the nsc, and they were a terrific group of people, and i did not know how the operational components, for example, would feel about their lawyers, and almost one third of my lawyers are embedded with the operators, and i think that really helps to foster a strong relationship from the ground up, so when something is being planned, the lawyer is right there. they understand what the goal is, and if it is not some thing that can be done consistent with law or regulations, that lawyer can then say, wait a minute. i can help you. if you do with this other way, then that would be lawful, so we have a very collaborative relationship, and we very much seek the views of the lawyers. i have received no complaints during my whole time about the quality of the legal advice they were getting or a concern that, oh, if only the lawyers would be iiet, then i could do what need to do to keep the country safe. we underst

in fact the cia had to give the shah and ultimate mawm t ultima.e can't guarantee you the throne afterwards. so this was basically a threat to the shah. >> now given the inherent tensions that exist between the two countries then, how can this nuclear agreement go forward? >> well, because i think both leaders, both here and there, are again not interested in these questions of distrust. they are far more interested in practical let's say insurances that there is not going to be cheating. >> but then we have all this recent news. we have the secret agreement with the iaea, that would allow iranian investigation of their own site and the most influential investigators, and isn't this all giving a lot of meat to the opponents of the deal? >> too much is being made of it. for instance we don't know exactly what international u.n. agreement is. but what can i see is they're talking about what was being done in iran before 2003. so we're talking about again past history. the cia and 17 american intelligence agencies have said there's been no iranian, ba

the american cia gave funds to perez molina, laced north american cia operatives inside the group isthose atrocities were being carried out. and the u.s. was fully behind us. now there is fear in washington. fear among the oligarchs that this whole pandora's box could be opened to guess the people are in the streets. now the people are in the streets talking about the corruption but if they start more intensively, talking about the blood, if they follow that trail of blood, it leads directly back to washington and lee's bakley -- back to the oligarchs who own guatemala. amy: when you're talking about the oligarchy, what does it stand for? who are they, actually? is it equivalent in the united states to the u.s. chamber of commerce? >> it is much stronger than the u.s. chamber of commerce. it would be as if all of the u.s. billionaires, all of u.s. corporations came together in one entity and usually spoke with a single voice. for example, after the rios mont genocide trial in which he was in it next ordinary achievement -- i think our world historic civilization breakthrough, roger t

that's not really the role for the cia. obviously the state department people support it. that's their job. but the main objection i have to the agreement is that assuming that iran doesn't cheat, assume that iran lives up to every provision of the agreement, the fact is at the end of 10 years, they will be -- they will have a nuclear infrastructure in place. they will be within one year of producing a nuclear weapon. and in the meantime, they will have gotten $100 billion to $150 billion in sanctions relief. that's money pumped into their economy, and you will have businesses from all over the world dealing with iran, and they will be able to use that money to spread terrorism around the world, and they will then have the capacity within a brief period of time to have a nuclear weapon. now, i assume they will cheat, and i assume that they will try to work around the agreement, but they don't really have to. i think the agreement itself allows them to become a nuclear power, and that's -- i think, as best i understand is, is chuck schumer's main objection to it, too. >> we

last year david cohen, then undersecretary of the treasury, now deputy rector of the cia -- director of the cia touted the collateral counterterrorism benefit of counter proliferation sanctions targeting iran's banking and oil sectors. the success of our unprecedented iran sanctions regime including sanctions on iranian financial institutions and the ability to sell its oil has had the collateral benefit of squeezing to ron's ability to fund terrorism groups such as has blood that will no longer be the case. -- hezbollah that will no longer be the case. >> according to crs, there support is 100 to $200 million a year. support for the assad regime in syria is $16 billion to $15 billion year. support for the rebels in yemen, tens of millions of dollars. it is between -- the key question to follow up on is should they get $100 billion in sanctions relief, what would become of the situation? >> they would be enriched, they would be emboldened, they would add to the budget that they have allocated for these groups. hearing from them direct the, the secretary-general from hezbollah expects

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so at this point, gary shroyer from the cia had started to make contact with him because the cia rarely gave any money to the pan cherry valley fighters. the tajiks were not favored by pakistan or cia. but who was giving him money on the side and supplies? russia. iran, a shiia country, offering money to a sunni. and india. pakistan's biggest rival. so we have a three dimensional game going on for control of the last 10% of the country. in this building on september 9th, amasooud agreed to be interviewed by two arabs who had come into the region as journalists carrying moroccan and belgium journalists. but just as he was mic'd up, one of them had been packed full of c-4 explosives and it killed him. september 9th. so 100% control of afghanistan goes to al qaeda and the taliban. everything folded in the last 10%. he was a very charismatic leader. spoke fluent french. he was educated in a french -- in downtown kabul and the son of a military officer. very interesting fellow. great chess player, could quote poetry all night long and had a lot of respect in the area. he was not favored by t

>> i'm officially cia, but there are a lot stoners. >> seth: right.gent. >> yes. >> seth: that's what you were activating, his cia memory. >> yes! >> seth: yeah. >> you were able to get all that from just that weird -- >> seth: no, that happened to me in my life. [ laughter ] that exact same thing. >> i knew it was one or the other, yeah. >> seth: so explain the film. it seems very different. >> it is. well, you know, you kind of got it. really, that's it. he's a sleeper agent, and i'm trying to activate him, because a lot of other crazy stuff is happening. and you know, he doesn't know that he's a cia agent, because he's a stoner along with kristen stewart, and it's real funny. [ light laughter ] >> seth: it's seems like a departure from what we're used to for you. was that one of the things that drew it to you, the sort of differences in genres? >> yes. yes, it is different for me because i don't usually play a weird cia agent. >> seth: yeah. >> so i thought that would be really fun to do. but i genuinely love the movie so much, because it's sort of

shultz leadership was quite abrasive at times with its attitude to the cia reporters. direct negotiating experience and observation of the other country by the leaders was very important to how things turned out her callable sides there was a recognition as well that the u.s.s.r. was really changing so the soviet leadership constantly said can't you see we are changing as fast as we can? the americans did not let up of the pressure if the soviet union wanted to bargain to give their breathing space to conduct its own internal transformation, and that was the whole point of the rapprochement of america fell whole point was to get to a breathing space in order to renovate communism to preserve and conserve communism. that was their objective. they didn't understand they're actually introducing the solvent of communism by boosting the system culturally and politically in and economically they didn't understand the architecture and chemistry of communism but it played into the american position very nicely with this judgment to be the consequence to bad for the soviets did

i went down to the cia and found out there was no evidence of mass distraction, it was all a hoax. there is never any evidence of a wmd. i voted against the war in iraq. immigration reforms, i was nine of the original cosponsors of mccain-kennedy that passed citizenship 10 years ago. many are talking about it today. i was one of the nine that signed up on the path to citizenship. and secure borders. in the senate i was working to control carbon dioxide, the client that -- of the climate change gas and on the forefront of environmental issues. i was working across the aisle. i was part of the gang of 14, seven democrats and republicans working together. we need more of that. good at working across the aisle with everyone in the senate. i went to be a governor. i was governor of rhode island during some of the worst economic times. high unemployment, people losing their homes to foreclosure, and i had to turn around -- turn it around as governor. during my time as governor, rhode island had the biggest drop of unemployment, over my time and budget as governor, of all but 5 states. i

two cia directors, former cia directors, pleaded guilty to misdemeanors for mishandling classified information and maybe not on even the scale that secretary clinton has. this is -- there's some jeopardy here. that is a very big deal. it speaks to why her numbers are bad when it comes to trust worthiness and so forth, and, again, the bigger political headache for mrs. lynne is going to be to the extent to which others will continue to stay on the sidelines or decide to get in other democratic candidates. >> the campaign is basically saying, look, the details don't matter. i'll go away. the public doesn't care. the washington press corps cares or republicans care. the american people really don't care. if the fbi lets this all go, nothing happened. no big deal. is she out of trouble? >> no, but i think i have a contrarian view of this. look, there were -- there's probably classified information on that server. i'm sure that the fbi and the other intelligence services really want to know what was there because most likely the chinese have already hacked in. >> hard to believe they did not. the i

i've got to ask about the decade-old cia program. i want to ask a forward moving question because john brennan in his news conference seemed to leave the door open for his future president to reinstitute eit's and some republican presidential candidate this very year said they bring back what some people consider to be torture. if either of you see a scenario where you would sign off on the legality of enhanced interrogation techniques. how would you respond to a president saying he wanted to do this. would you resign your position or go along with it? what would you do? >> first of all, i don't know if you are aware by senator mccain and senator find time would basically codify the executive order president obama put in place when he first got here in the languages supported by the administration including the intelligence community. that would make a loss of a could not. that would be the best way forward. i don't anticipate being in a situation in which i would has to sign off an eit is. >> john, what is your view on this? >> the

los mexicanos y se lo repito desde aquÍ, hay que confiar en estados unidos, estados unidos la dea la ciasimo y hacer una llave con ellos, aquÍ colombia hoy ha extraditado 2028 colombianos, unos colombianos que por robar a un agente de la dea los 8 estÁn extraditados y el paÍs no reprocha eso porque el que aquÍ dicen el que la hace la paga, entonces hay que sentarse en forma muy amistosa, con ellos, con la iddea con la cia y recib informaciÓn de todos los paÍses yo creo que hoy es mucho mÁs fÁcil con la tecnologÍa nosotros no utilizamos como lo dije yo, yo no utilicÉ ni whatsapp, ni tablet, ni celular, ni satelital, no era todo olfato, sentido comÚn. >> usted piensa que fue un error de mÉxico no haber de inmediato expresado la voluntad de que el chapo guzmÁn cuando fue capturado fue se extraditado hacia estados unidos?. >> sÍ, a ver. cada paÍs tiene su organizaciÓn lo que pasa que aquÍ colombia ya hay trÁmites muy rapidos entre las cortes y el gobierno. aquÍ una extradiciÓn puede durar muy poquitico, ya por la conformaciÓn del estado un juez por ejemplo puede pagar una extradiciÓn, aquÍ n

they may have once been fbi cia, and all of that but they were ham handed. hunt was dumped on the white house. and the nixon staffers didn't realize and they hired these guys who were bad at it and got caught breaking into the watergate and the office and all of that. nixon didn't know anything about the break-in. he found out about it after the fact. yes, he conducted a cover-up. that is absolutely true. but if you listen to the tapes, it is clear that nixon is shy and one of the reasons he doesn't find out about and it and do anything is he is too shy to confront his own subordants. nixon would say do you think mitchell knew? but he would back off and never got all of them holderman, coleson, dean and mitchell never got them into a room and asked them what happened. huge mistake. by the time he started paying attention the cover-up was well along. watergate which has been pictured as an illegal scheme and it was bad with a lot of illegal stuff happening but my impression is it is his shyness and awkwardness that got him into trouble. his smart political in

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in 1953 the cia orchestrated the democratically elected prime minister putting the shaw in control andme hatred for shaw and americans who supported him grew deep this quarters and cia occupied the former american embassy, a buildings that iranians came to refer to as a den of spies. by 1979 iran was in the throes of iz islamic revolution. popular protests led by muslims deposed the shaw and denounced the u.s. role in supporting him. up until that point america had never faced off against a political force that used islam for motivation. things came to a head when a group of student protesters breached the walls of the embassy in thai ran and said it was on fears that the u.s. night support another coup and bring the shaw back to power. diplomatic relations were severed and the hostility grew worse over the decade. in the 1980s iran accused the u.s. of backing sedan in the iraq war and in 1988 they shot down an iran air passenger jet off of iran's southern coast killing 290 people. the u.s. never formally apologized for the attack. despite all the bad blood over the years most iranians

if any at the appropriate time. >> reporter: the court documents file in the prosecution of former cia director david petraeus strongly suggests a double standard in the application of the law is at play. retired general was prosecuted for removing classified information in his personal note books, sharing it with his biographer who had security clearance, and storing the note books at home rather than a secure facility known as a skiff, quote -- . >> the crime of improperly storing classified information is actually a misdemeanor. what we don't know is who was she e-mailing the information to? >> reporter: the white house and state department spokesman insisted no similarities between the cases. even though petraeus and clinton held classified information at home in an unsecured way. >> not going to speak to general petraeus's case, it's apples and oranges. >> about enforcing the law by the department of justice. >> reporter: a source close to the intelligence community's inspectors general are increasingly confident based on conversations with senior fbi executives that the server an

if you have ever looked at the files of an intelligence agency, the fbi or cia, it is full of gossip and other material. it makes -- someone got nervous and was like we are looking for the truth. how do you know what the truth is? that is a great question. we concluded we are ok with ambiguity. like some would argue that history is elevated gossip or that gossip is counter history. what you hear and gossip is counter to the dominant historical narrative. there are groups that are excluded that use gossip as a weapon of the week to make their case heard. one of the things we're trying to do by writing this book and having our roundtable is to make the case that gossip is a valid historical topic, and that gossip is legitimate historical evidence. the question of truth comes up in some ways it doesn't matter if gossip is true. what meaning to people give to it, to make of it? you can say gossip matters if it is true or false. >> how do you go about documenting gossip and the influence it has on historical events, and one example that you have addressed in your work is the history of th

observe how do you the cia reacts to the lawyer lawyering you are doing? caroline: i experience with the agency from my time at the justice department and the nsc, and they were a terrific group of people, and i did not know how the operational components, for example, would feel about their lawyers, and almost one third of my lawyers are embedded with the operators, and i think that really helps to foster a strong relationship from the ground up, so when something is being planned, the lawyer is right there. they understand what the goal is, and if it is not some thing that can be done consistent with law or regulations, that lawyer can then say, wait a minute. i can help you. if you do with this other way, then that would be lawful, so we have a very collaborative relationship, and we very much seek the views of the lawyers. i have received no complaints during my whole time about the quality of the legal advice they were getting or a concern that, oh, if only the lawyers would be iiet, then i could do what need to do to keep the country safe. we underst