the cia themselves...governments and regimes across the world, and without being pejorative, one can talk about what happens in china and russia and countries in the middle east of many different stripes, right around the world we know from extensive independent investigation torture is used to extract information. i put it to you again, are all of these experts in counterterror completely and utterly wrong? what you get are false confessions or propaganda. if i torture you and i want you to say that you don't work for the bbc, you work for, i don't know, apple computer, i will torture you enough and and you will say yes, "i work for apple computers, i don't work for the bbc." you get exactly what you want but you don't get reliable intelligence. look at ksm, they waterboarded ksm 183 times and eventually he gave up a plot of african—americans in montana who were planning to conduct forest fires, it was all fabricated. that is one of the successes which interrogators would say, "see, we disrupted this plot

bags full of money and the cia bag man if you will in the cia station santiago was named jack divine. and he was. a young man with a big afro if you looked at him you would have thought he was a foreign exchange student during the age of hippies but in fact he was an undercover cia officer in one of his 1st postings. as an agent and he was responsible for carrying this money for meeting with periodically with the helmet for real people with the divine thanks for talking to us here in the think it's a pleasure he touched down in chile in the 1970 s. during the age in the government you put in charge of an important brief in medical your project a key part of the cia operation in chile at the time can you tell us about your specific role in this post was an extraordinary assignment was my 1st assignment a lot of our my job was actually to help keep the funding. recording because the agenda government at the time. we would say putting the screws on the home according to my 1st major test that i can recall was trying to find funding so that public order could tended to continue to obtain

we have cia documents. from the spring of 1973 in which the cia station chief identifies emma choreo as one of the key entities in chile that is pushing for instability and confrontation in order to instigate military action in chile no discussion of democracy and i think peaceful violence that was the purpose. in september of 1973 i in there was overthrown in a military coup led by general. mass open air prisons to the houses disappearances in the thousands bodies dumped at sea the result a culture of fear and repression repression the spread to the media a new total crackdown on the press with an exception i made and the other 2 papers and opened a film i'm not on demand what they say yes that's when most chileans got their news from during the 17 years it taitz a ship that followed. where barbara hayes a young journalist at the time got her start i mean without a paper political body yes i was really interested in political journalism but by then it was clear that there was absolutely no chance of being

maria: he worked for the cia. >> fbi sends a email to the cia, is the guy a source for you.he cia mails back. yes, he is a source. the fbi assistant general counsel, takes the email, he alters it, types in the word, cia said yes he is a source. the fbi lawyer types in, no, he is not a source. maria: unbelievable. >> 180 degrees exactly opposite. he then send that email on to the department of justice that uses that as the basis for a sworn statement to the fisa court to get a wiretap. by the way the inspector general reports talks about -- maria: that is unbelievable. >> for the i.g. found this, talk about good investigating. they dug through the original documents that someone on the i.g. team noticed original email from cia, forwarded email, compared, wait a second, these words are not in the first one. tell you what the i.g. report says. when they questioned, assistant general counsel at fbi, how did this email change? he initially denied it. oh, i don't know how it changed. no idea. okay, yeah, i changed it. that is on its face criminal conduct. if you or i did it in a c

my dad was stationed as a cia case officer. i was there in time for the berlin wall, built a year after i was born. my father used to say that was no coincidence. i didn't take that personally. indeed i did go back eventually as a reporter in 1989. i did arrive in germany a couple months before the wall came down. can't claim to have any special knowledge that guided me there. i had gone with a buddy of mine who wanted to go to oktoberfest. i always wanted to freelance from germany so i decided to try my hand at freelancing from germany for a few months. when the wall came down, i ended up staying for five year . a lot is going on in those days for sure. i did feel a connection to cold war berlin. the story i got into when i started to research this. it was something i never had a chance to talk to my dad about it as he remained undercover and i thought he worked for the state department. until later in life. and then he died at a young ag . but i would hear some of the stories later in recent years from his closest friends who

very shortly after taking power asked the cia for money in order to buy arms as a military general inthe war against israel and naturally one of thega things he wanted to do was reward the egyptian army to build up the military capabilities. the cia gave him a very small stipend between three and $5 million which would not buy a very many arms. and instead spend the money on building a radio tower for the voice of the arabs for going the 19 fifties radio was the equivalent and it is known in egypt as roosevelt's direction. i will not go farther than that. the relationship between the united states and egypt soured over the years. with that to have weapons and that soured relations and by 1958 relations between uae and egypt deteriorated significantly february 1958 egypt and syria united and in response to that and the federation of arab monarchies. and march 3rd 1958 the king of saudi arabia between richard nixon and dwight eisenhower and then to overthrow the government to wake up the republic. and then they broke up a plot to assassinate nasser and then not only with the airplane bu

many are convinced it was the cia that was responsible. >> i am convinced the cia killed torrijos.s i know because i worked with torrijos. jose martinez was one of his aides for many years. >> they had to kill him. he was having a big influence over central america. especially among the revolutionary movement. torrijos represented the political solution. wasaiting in the wings, manuel noriega, the cia's primary contact in panama. noriega was head of the military intelligence and had a long standing relationship with the united states. he had been on the cia payroll since the when george bush 1960's. became director of the cia in 1976, under president ford, he inherited noriega as a contact. despite evidence that noriega was involved in drug trafficking, bush kept noriega on the payroll. in fact, he increased noriega's salary to more than $100,000 a year and eliminated a requirement that intelligence reports on panama include information on drug trafficking. >> over the last 20 years men well noriega was recruited to be an asset, he had provided many important pieces of information

them directly and personally that carter page was a cia asset against russia so why spy on him?were looking to get answers to. we know how incredible it was, was the information being passed to the fbi and why do they rely on the source that should've been debunked by an investigative body. we see this all the time and criminal investigations. warrants go up with bad information without letting the judge know the idea of the level of incredulity that witnesses have, this is on a very national and very large scale in a problem that we need answers to in the criminal system as a whole. >> brennan has said, he said in january 2017 and he told congress the cia did not rely on the dossier would help develop intelligence community assessment. but fbi officials including comey and andrew mccabe did push to put the answer trump steel file that was funded by the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign, they put it in intelligence committee assessment on russia election meddling, they knew by then that his own source was undercutting him, that he cannot be believed, he exaggerates. that that s

in jordan, the cia uncovered a plot to overthrow king hussein.king hussein at this point is in his early 20s. he's a very inexperienced king. he's running a country that is 80% palestinian, that has no support for hashemite monarchy. the cia uncovered a plot, actually the fbi uncovered a plot by tapping the phone of the jordanian defense attachÉ at washington was plotting an egyptian counterpart to overthrow the king. in late june 1958 the cia gave all the information to the jordanians and they arrested the plot makers. they king turned to his brother-in-law, baking of jordan, king faisal the second and asked him between the two of them are remarkable young they are back in 1958. the two of them agreed iraq would send a brigade of the iraqi army to oman in order to stabilize the jordanian situation. unfortunately the brigade they selected was filled with coup plotters who are preparing a plot against king faisal. the plot succeeded on the 14th of july 1958. as i said earlier it was a very, very violent plot. the coup plotters brigade was moving t

as is the freaking cia. there are good cia agents. hersh found military officers and people in the intelligence community who believe they had taken an oath to the constitution rather than to their bosses. their immediate superiors. they became the whistleblowers of their day who supplied him with the material he used to uncover misdeeds by government. mediaoughly agree that are plural and are plural possibilities within each media institution. the drift of things at this particular moment is discouraging to me. to do awayly willing with the electoral college. i agree that would be a good thing. to toss theling baby of the constitution not with the bathwater of the electoral college. i'm more devoted to the bill of rights than i am to the constitution. the constitution is full of a lot of ingenious 18th-century mechanisms for balancing and reducing the concentration of power, which more or less worked for a long time. i'm not sure we want to dismantle those mechanisms. i do think that what is precious to me in the constitution is the

the cia -- >> but if they don't know he's a cia informant, right, that's obviously part of the problem you fix that part of it? >> well, within the counterintelligence environment in cia and fbi, we do have joint groups that are able to share information across the boundaries of those agencies. at least by my reading of the report, there were conversations that went back and forth between cia and fbi about individuals affiliated with the trump campaign who had some prior relationships with the intelligence community, with the cia. so, it's a difficult thing. you want to protect individual's privacy. you don't want to presume any type of nefarious activity, but you want to make sure that information you have in your databases is going to be available to other agencies. >> everything you read in hindsight now, should there have been an approved fisa application to surveil carter page? >> i would defer to the bureau on the fisa matter, because they're the ones that initiate and follow through on it, but as i've said in testimony to the hill, i think that there were contacts between indivi

for the cia. they would have you believe that carter page is working against our government. not with our government. so, carter page in the summer of 2017 isot trying to tell anybody and everybody i was working with the cia and i reported my contact with this person and nobody believed him. the cia had told the fbi it was true earlier. it never made it through the system. somebody got so rattled at the fbi that they asked mr. kleinsmith to check it out. he checks it out. he communicates with the cia and his -- is carter page a source for you? in an e-mail exchange they say yes, he is. what does mr. kleinsmith do? he alters the e-mail to say no, he's not. you caught him. i don't know how you caught him because you got to dig into this e-mail chain. it would be getting a lab report from the fbi and the fingerprints don't match and the agent says they do. that is how bad this is. now let me tell you a little bit about mr. kleinsmith, if i can find it. this is the lawyer supervising the pfizer warned

i told the cia about my meeting because i was a source for the cia. so they would have you believe that carter page is working against our government. not with our government. so carter page in the summer of 2017 is trying to tell anybody and everybody, i was working with the cia. i reported my contact with this person and nobody believed him. the cia had told the fbi it was true earlier. but it never made it through the system. somebody got so rattled at the fbi, they asked mr. cline smith to check it out. he checks it out. he communicates with the cia. is carter page a source for you? in an email exchange, they say, yes, he is. what does mr. cline smith do? he alters the email to say, no, he's not. and you caught him. i don't know how you caught him, because you got to dig into this email chain. it would be like getting a lab report from the fbi, the fingerprints don't match and the agent says they do. that's how bad this is. so, now let me tell you a little bit about mr. cline smith, if i can find it. this is the lawyer supervising the warrant proc

this is a message to the current cia and the current intelligence community. efforts to affect the 2020 election, because if you do, you might find yourselves in the crosshairs of a criminal investigation. that's the implication here. the cia's job is to analyze russian foreign policy, to assess it, to bring forth the community intelligence analysis, and let the chips fall where they may. i've been in many discussions where it's kind of uncomfortable because you have to brief a public official, a president or a national leader and say, hey, this foreign government is trying to influence you, we as a country have to know, have our eyes wide open about what's happening. it's uncomfortable, it is not a criminal act to do that, and i think it's shameful and dangerous for the department of justice to think of this as a criminal act. >> i know a lot of people like you are protective in your public statements about pompeo's successor who is brennan's successor. but is it time for her to say something in defense of her agency and its products? >> i don't know because

but when it comes to doj versus cia and the cia director trying to draw some kind of a line, what kindlatitude does she have to do that? >> well, she's got a lot of latitude until it comes down to a grand jury speen a. that's why this investigation once it was raised to the level of a criminal investigation and durham had grand jury subpoena power and the other powers that come with the grand jury, it became very dangerous. i mean just recognize the situation. this is an investigation if it's really looking at john brennen, which is, a, politically motivated by the president. he's attacked brennen repeatedly, called him a liar and every name under the book in his twitter feed. we've also established that barr is willing to lie and corrupt the truth and twist the truth for the president. and he's actually gotten durham to do some things that are not good. i mean after the horowitz report came out he did something in my opinion which is unconscienceable which is comment on an investigation. the president of the united states is weighing in and she has to make some decisions about whether

the only man to head both the fbi and the cia.e wrote an op-ed for "the new york times" yesterday in which he said he had a unique responsibility to speak out against the, quote, dire threat to the rule of law in the united states. here with me now, someone who also served as cia director and spoken out about this, msnbc senior national security analyst, john brennan. i'm curious your reaction to webster coming out and saying what the he had. tom ridge and others you wouldn't necessarily expect to be outspoken critics of the president feeling moved under these conditions to say something. >> well, william webster is one of the most immensely respected and revered national security officials in this country. and i think he felt compelled to speak out because of what he is seeing happen to the rule of law and to the great institutions of the federal buyer of owe investigation as well as cia. and so he is exceptionally nonpartisan. he is a life long republican, but he was appointed to the fbi position by a democratic president, jimmy

so the cia was hobbled. it's totally fanciful that the cia was using u.s.overnment money to pay off those who were the opposition. >> in december of 1979, jimmy carter did not like the national christmas tree as a symbol of unity for those held hostage. did that become another matter for metaphor? >> it was. i talked to him, during the book, to a number of your colleagues, people who were reporters at the time and they all said that carter called and he admitted it to me in an interview for the book, that he gave too much attention to it. he could have said, we made an offer to the iranians about negotiating this. they are responsible for the safety of john and his colleagues. if they violated, we will go about it militarily. instead you had yellow ribbons all over, not lighting the christmas tree. he caused more attention for this crisis. you could not have avoided it, obviously, but he made it the centerpiece. he said publicly, every morning when i get up, the first thing i think about is the hostages. and every night when i go to sleep, the first thing i

lied about carter page and his connection to the cia. one of comey's lawyers change the document to remove the fact that page, well, was a source for the cia but instead said was not a source. remember, comey told us all in the claims of fisa abuse was just utter nonsense. this is a lie what we are about to show you. look. >> total confidence that the fisa process was followed and that the entire case was handled in a thoughtful, responsible way by doj and the fbi. i think the notion fisa was abused as nonsense. >> sean: nonsense yet another like comey knew it was garbage and unverifiable rumors and speculation and he was warned multiple times. and even christopher steele under oath when he heard this he should have gone back. i have no idea of any of it is true. that is why he repeatedly denied that it was used with the bulk of information in the fisa applications that we now know also was a lie. that means devin nunes was rig

state department, as is the freakin 'cia. there are good cia agents. this is how, hirsch's best work, is that he found military officers, and people in the intelligence community, for that matter, who believed that they had taken an oath to the constitution, rather than to their bosses and to their immediate superiors. and they became the whistle-blowers of their day. and who supplied him with the material that he used to uncover misdeeds by government. so i thoroughly agree that, i agree that media are plural, and that they're plural kinds of possibilities from within the, each media institution, but the drift of things, at this particular moment, is discouraging to me, and i'm perfectly willing to do away with the electoral college. i agree, that would be a good thing. but i'm less, i'm less willing to toss the baby of the constitution out with the bath water of the electoral college because it seems to me, i'm more devoted to the bill of rights, i am, than to the constitution. the constitution is full of a lot of in genius 18th century mechanisms fo

his emails, call logs, and other documents from the cia. if true, it would represent a widening of the ongoing criminal probe, one that can reach the upper echelon of the u.s. intelligence committee. brennan has distinguished himself as a fiercely vocal critic down the critic of the president, unusual given his former position in government. the president has hit back on the brennan said today focused on the democratic led impeachment. >> they are playing games, they do not want to put in the articles. you cannot do that. i hear it's a lot of things, they don't want to put them in because they are ashamed of them. it's what they've done, it's wrong, it's bad for the country, very, very bad for the country. >> the president's criticism of how speaker pelosi's decision to delay sending articles onto the new year in his online musings throughout the day, careening from caustic to cutting with health democrats and their leader the object of his scorn. >> what they did is unconstitutional and the senate is very, very capable. we have great senat

former cia director john brennan under the microscope. breaking news from the new york times on the investigation into the investigators, us attorney probing the origins of the russia investigation requesting emails and other documents from brennan. kevin cork is tracking it and has the latest. >> the former cia director under intense scrutiny. this is happening in the wake of that ig report which seemed to contradict brennan's congressional testimony about the use of the steel dossier to launch the russia probe. >> you will see some interesting things happen over the coming days and weeks. >> a cryptic and possibly telling comment from donald trump about the ongoing criminal investigation into the origins of these from russia probe launched during his campaign and continued into his presidency. the comments come amid new reporting that new us attorney john durham requested several items involving john brennan including his emails, call logs and other documents from the cia. of true it could represent a widening of the ongoing, probe that

. >> plus former cia director john brennen on the threat to the rule of law. and new details on rudy giuliani's indicted associate and his close tie tuesday a russian backed oligarch. >> oh, wow. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. there's been a marathon session under way all day in the rules committee to decide the rules for tomorrow's big floor debate on impeachment. tomorrow's going to be the only third time in all of american history that there will be a floor debate and a vote on impeaching the president of the united states. tomorrow dawn md j. trump is expected to join andrew johnson and bill clinton as the only presidents in the history of the country to be impeached. if you want to know how the president feels about that, well, he sent an absolutely unhinged deranged 6-page tweet-like letter to nancy pelosi today in which he said among a variety of other things, quote, you have cheapened the importance of the very ugly word impeachment, and, quote, more due process was afforded to those in the salem witch t

prosecutors here, potentially grilling a cia analyst, or gina hapsel herself?ain, it creates a really awkward situation. the intelligence community and the d.o.j., federal prosecutors, exist in different but overlapping realms. and the idea that you would have one area, d.o.j., prosecutors, investigating the cia, which to say it lightly, operates in a nuanced realm, is going to create some tension. but gina hapsel has a record of mostly promoting the cia from within, and building the morale there, and staying off the radar, so consistent with her theme of staying off the radar, she might find a way to cooperate that is not very public and not very loud. ultimately, though, donald trump has tweeted lots of favorable things about gina hapsel, hopefully for her, he will continue to do so. >> all right, msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos, thank you, my friend. >>> drawing pictures as a truck crash leaves a camera crew running for cover. 1 in 5 people you meet wear dentures. yeah. that many! but right now, is not the time to talk about it. so when you're ready, sear

versus cia and the cia director trying to draw some kind of align, what kind of latitude does she have that? >> well, she has a lot of latitude until it comes down to a grand jury subpoena. that's why this investigation, once it was raised to the level of a criminal investigation and though had grand jury subpoena power and the other powers that came with the grand jury it became dangerous. this is an investigation if it's really looking at john brennan which is a, politically motivated by the president. he has attacked brennan repeatedly and called him a liar and every name under the book in his twitter feed. barr is willing -- we have also established that barr is willing to lie and corrupt the truth and you have a politically motivated investigation where the president of the united states is weighing in and she has to make some decisions about whether or not she is going to protect the organization. and recognize that she has run into him before and what really are his opinions of her and that will make a big difference. and that may turn out to play a factor in it but she has some

the third contact was with a person known to be a foreign agent, and he told the cia about the contact because he was there source. why is it important that they lied to the court? if the court had known that he had a reason to be talking to this person, it would have been completely different. that's why he lied. because of that fact ever got confirmed and got change the entire predicate they set up to the court as to whether or not carter page was a foreign agent. you cannot surveilled somebody if they have proof. so wednesday, we are going to have a hearing and we are going to get the good, the bad, and the ugly. we are going to try to find a way to make sure this never happens again. and here's what i help people in your business will do. read the entire report, not focus on the debate of whether there was legal predicate. i'm here to tell you that doesn't drive my thinking, i will assume for the sake of argument there was a legal foundation. but i will not tolerate is how it got off the rails and how the fbi and the department of justice to continue this investigation, continually

ask him if there's a from 1979 between the head of the cia, would the cia believe it is. there are is it too many people with clearances. across the government we need to reduce them so we need to encourage this withdrawal. enter as long as we can get the leadership. >> and then in a follow-up letter, massively increasing the number in people in the executive branch clearances. they said why don't the leadership get the people and it will be fine. josÉ, is the member of the house action. the people who think they need the information, the people that she handpicks, the minority leaders, the people that he handpicks. have asked him. they other members of congress themselves. the widest congress or the congressional stephanie clearance. it's an executive branch function. one is simply pass along. they could do it for all of the others. putting hillside that, why would congress want to go to these other folks. a consensual profit. but from a first principle, there's certainly reasons that we don't need to do that. >> there is a moment of fear and i see related stuff. it is t

there are good cia agents. this is how hirsch did his best work, was that he found military thecers and people in intelligence community, for that matter, who believed they had taken an oath to the constitution, rather than to their bosses. superiorsir immediate . they became the whistleblowers of their day who supplied him with the material that he used to uncover misdeeds by government. ithoroughly agree that -- agree that media are plural and that they are plural -- there plural kinds of possibilities from within each media institution. things at this particular moment is discouraging to me. i am perfectly willing to do away with the electoral college. i agree. that would be a good thing. toss the willing to baby of the constitution out with the bathwater of the electoral college because it seems to me -- i am more devoted to the bill of rights than to the constitution. full of atution is lot of ingenious 18th-century mechanisms for balancing and reducing the concentration of power, which have more or less w

barr wants john durham to make the same assessment of the cia. i imagine we'll have the same conclusions. they may have made mistakes but i doubt they were motivated politically. >> thanks to both of you. appreciate it. still ahead, how will democrats counter what could be a huge asset for president trump heading into 2020? why new signs that the economy is stronger than ever are presenting a big challenge to the democratic candidates. right now in iowa, senator amy klobuchar is meeting with voters with just a little more than a month to go before the caucuses. we'll head to that event live next. live next there in time, it will be a massacre. good luck. today's senior living communities have never been better, with amazing amenities like movie theaters, exercise rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros even pet care services. and there's never been an easier way to get great advice. a place for mom is a free service that pairs you with a local advisor to help you sort through your options and find a perfect place. a place for mom

it is ironic because in many ways he was a part of the cia. they did not put him in office, but even before the coup they contracted with him as arab nationalism is the wave of the future united states wanted to be part of the wave of the future so they saw arab nationalism as an effective counter in the middle east the individual associated with this policy was kermit roosevelt who is part of the roosevelt family he is most famous to americans to put the shop back in power in 1953 once removed from power in iraq he is less famous for the fact as the additional person who dealt with nasser. very shortly after taking power nasser asked the guy for money to buy arms he is a military general with the 1948 war against israel and that's what he wanted to do is reward to build up the military capabilities. the cia gave him a small stipend three or $5 million depending on the source which would not buy very many arms but nasser spent the money on building a radio tower for his radio station the voice of the arabs. in the fifties radio was the equival

a high ranking al qaeda lieutenant he was captured from pakistan in march of 2002 and brought to a cia black site in thailand there was an internal debate after the f.b.i. inter gated him whether actually he was forthcoming about the information that he was given and then the cia contractor to a psychologist to actually design this program of torture the program has since been outlawed but it used violence isolation sleep deprivation it was one of the 1st people to actually be water boarded by the cia he was water boarded about. 83 times now this person has never actually been charged with a crime and internal documents show that the military prosecutors have no intention of charging him with a crime and intelligence showed that you know he was a jihadist but this man had no prior knowledge of 911 or the attack nor was he an actual member of al qaeda. we have know about this program we've heard about details of it before but these drugs really bring a very morbid intimate details here we have some of the drawings in which the prisoner describes some of the techniques let's let's take a

and the cia. and the united states senate committee on intelligence has found he was never a member of the 'd got nothing to do with the 'd note or did 'd he ever in any terrorist acts use a mood in a fight or to be out of those you want their youngest. body to grow out of the russians are the you know mr every one of you folks well. he was there with a puppet government in place and he was fighting the puppet government and this goes for if you're a russian are the jury in a battle with. the government that was there and so he's never been able to buy your order or make your presence very early to ready how have your clients living conditions improved since the period we were breaking down in 2002 to 2005 has he suffered any lasting physical psychological damage a result of the torture. well you know he must you know anybody would but it's i've visited him $67.00 times a year or several days and time and it's really quite hard to see any of. you have said the minutes of adjustments because of wha

i told the cia about my meeting because i was a source for the cia. so they would have you believe that carter page is working against our government not with our government. so carter page, in the summer of 2017, is trying to tell anybody and everybody, i was working with the cia. i reported my contact with this pers person, and nobody believed him. the cia had told the fbi it was true earlier, but it never made it through the system. somebody got so rattled at the fbi, they asked mr. klinesmith to check it out. he checks it out. he communicates with the cia. is carter page a source for you? in an email exchange they say, yes, he is. what does mr. klinesmith do? he alters the email to say no, he's not. and you caught him. i don't know how you caught him, because you got to dig into this email chain. it would be like getting a lab report from the fbi, the fingerprints don't match and the agent says they do. that's how bad this is. so now let me tell you a little bit about mr. klinesmith if i can find it. do you have the klinesmith stuff? okay. this is

he was married to my next guest, former cia chief of th the skies jonna mendez. cowrote the new book "the moscow rules." the secret ca tactics that helped america win the cold war. here now, jonna mendez who's in charge of creating the special disguises agents use on undercover missions. jonna, welcome. i'm sorry for the loss of your husband but appreciate that you are here tonight. >> thank you. glad to be here. >> what were the secret tactics, people are fascinated by the spy. what are some of the secret tactics you used by the cia to take down the soviet union? >> one of the things that the book explores and the detail that's never really gone into before is our work with the community of magic and illusion and deception out in l.a. tony was always very interested in magic, even when he was a young kid. he always was playing little tricks on people, but it got a lot more serious at the cia. we would look at some of the magic acts that you would see publicly and say, you know, if we could create those same kinds of deception, that could be a very useful tool in

intel agency, likely the cia for years. that is what he gets rewarded with, an investigation after helping the cia for three years. so what happened? instead, that exonerating fact was edited out of an email by fbi lawyer kevin kleinsmith who also with peter strzok and lisa page, you know, taken off the russian pro once anti-trump biases were made public. now, i note you are probably asking what i've been asking myself all day. how could an impartial investigator, you are the inspector general and lifetime goal to be an inspector general, looking at all of the facts, all the text messages, thick spoke with tori and the damning information -- exculpatory and e damning information with informant agents involved with "crossfire hurricane," how can you determine there was no political bias in the handling of the russian probe? it defies not just common sense, but the evidence has horowitz himself developed. nevertheless, horowitz gave democrats the talking point they craved. >> there was no treason, there was no conspiracy, no

and the cia excuse. me state senate committee on intelligence has found he was never a member of that they have nothing to do with all 'd of them no but why did 'd he ever do any terrorist acts what's the purpose all that when it's been shown to to essentially fail to yield accurate information from many suspects. well i think it failed to. produce accurate information from almost anybody but certainly the field to attract any. to any accurate information was a bit harder because they didn't know it or probability is that. i would love to meet people held. but it turns out there are a lot of the right 'd to look forward not backwards or the problem we have right now is look if they don't work backwards the digital who are stuck there are going to remain stuck. no i don't think. 'd or goals are really there are many who feel they're all right about what they get in the 'd car. that. the u.s. house will vote on impeachment don't trump home wednesday the president himself accuses the democratic leadership o

durham is focusing much of his attention on the cia, requesting the communications of former directorn brennan. the probe could bring into focus the current cia director gina haspel and whether she'll protect brennan. joining us isikoff. is -- joining us is han vo han von spakovsky. >> her primary duty is to protect the public from abuse of the power of the intelligence officials have. that's what john durham is looking at. her first obligation is to cooperate with john durham and turn over communications he's seek on brennan. if she tries to protect the agency and cover up misconduct, the mistrust the american people have of our intelligence agencies will be even greater. gregg: durham as we point out focusing squarely on john brennan who has a lot to answer for. instigator of the russia hoax in many ways. he created the interagency task force that was fundamentally a spying operation in launching the trump russia investigation in july of 2016. it appears people were lured overseas so their confidential informants undercover like stephen halper could be used to entrap trump campaign

. >> they surrounded us a cia, cia, etc.. >> he found a radio and started to walk off with it. he was going to take the radio. i said to come excuse me. he turned around and i smiled and used hand gestures to confuse him, grabbed the radio, smashed it on the wall and destroyed about $4000 worth of electrical equipment, and i handed the shattered components back to him and said, now you can have it. >> the second escaping group with these five americans, led by bob anders had taken a different route and were on their way to the british embassy, a standard contingency plan, but the route became blocked by demonstrators. >> bob said i am going home. we said we are going with you. we just wanted to get off the street, because i noticed at least it seemed like some people were starting to stare at us. >> the relative safety of his apartment was only four blocks away, but across the street from it was revolutionary committee headquarters. >> when we came to the street where the committee headquarters was, weep your to round the corner to see if anyone was looking and then make a mad