for example, cid unfounds reports by the organization. ompared to other services and that unfounded report rate is significantly higher. but does that unfounded report mean false or baseless? unfortunately, it doesn't. it could be a whole spectrum. so we want to standardize that and dabtake a look at it. but we didn't see the need for the commander fb part of that case determination process. we want to compare civilian founded and unfounded rates. it's much cleaner and easier to grapple with. >> thank you. >> you're welcome, sir. >> liz? i have a question to follow-up on whatxd admiral hawk asked. when does trial counsel get named in connection with these proceedings? at the investigative stage? >> yes, ma'am. generally in most of our services, one of our recommendations, we quantify what that happens. generally within 24 hours that trial counsel will be notified, be involved with the case. most of the services that trial counsel is involved from the very beginning. in many cases, that trial counsel will go to the office and maybe even vie

for example, cid unfound reports by the organization. that's compared to other services, and that unfounded report rate is significantly higher. but does that unfounded report mean false or baseless? unfortunately, it doesn't can. it could be a whole spectrum of how we look at this. so we want to standardize that and just take a look at it. but we didn't see any need for the commander to be part of that case determination process. we want to run the same we do with civilians because then we compare civilian founded and unfounded rate, it's much cleaner and easier to grapple with. >> thank you. >> you're welcome, sir. >> [inaudible] >> i have a question to follow up on what admiral hauck asked. when does trial counsel get named in connection with these -- [inaudible] at the investigative stage? >> yes, ma'am. generally in most of our services and our recommendations we might quantify when that happens, but generally within 24 hours for most services that trial counsel will be notified. we've got a recommendation to insure that's consistent