cinderella story that they are not part of it because they are not an underdog. but which is better for cbs. is that the cinderella story or ohio state versus one of the other big teams? >> it could be both. and so cinderellaany times the cinderella stories do well. david rosen talked about a story a few years ago it was one of cbs's higher games. but not all cinderella stories have the same appeal. you often like to get a big guys get out at the end. no pun intended. the point is that cbs clearly can hurt your ratings going forward when you lose a team like ohio state. they have a huge fan base and national appeal. obviously the other old would not be as big. on the other hand, and i'm not sure that dayton is not a cinderella. they're very big. now they are a mainstream team in that sense. so it's a mixed bag. certainly i know when i was in that studio all those years, kansas, kentucky, huge national fan base is. you feel the impact. liz: who are you going to pick? >> to your question, i do believe that it is a delicate balance. if you have for cinderella teams, this hardly happens in the final four. if you have four bluebloods, it's going to be a different story. michigan state and louisville in the fina