robert ludy, president and founder of manufacturing company, captive air, cindy bigelow, owner of family a loy that's which we all love. cindy, you hired some folks i understand. which positions were hired to fill? which seemed more in demand at the moment? >> for news the manufacturing arena, i think jobs we're focusing on manufacturing were tougher in areas of marketing. we hired a director of marketing assurance. that was believe it or not, that was year-and-a-half search. david: wow, year-and-a-half. >> yeah. david: there are positions you're willing to wait that long to find a right person. robert, you spelled out for us specifically which positions you're looking for applicants right now. sales engineering, 25. field service, technicians, 20. manufacturing, 15. i'm seeing a lot of positions that require advanced technical tripping here. >> yeah. most of our jobs require technical training. that seems to be the nature of manufacturing today. if you looked at our business 20 years ago, it was much less technical. with electronics and more sophisticated equipment we need very best tec