i myself have been at the border on the human trafficking issue with cindy mccain and senator highcamp. i led a trip down there. so i'm very aware of this issue. but what's happening now, that was a few years ago, is different. you have families coming together and they're separating parents from their children. and that's why you see all 49 senate democrats on a bill to stop this. so contrary to what the homeland security secretary was saying, they could change the policy. they're just choosing not to. >> she says this is not leverage. she says that if congress closes the loopholes, what she calls loopholes, that this will stop. you say there's 49 democrats who have signed on to a bill. are any republicans who are willing to sign on to that and would that be enough for the administration to stop separating families? >> well, we have to get to 60, but you have heard a number of republicans express concern about this policy, whether that turns into support or not, we will see. but the point is in one breath she was saying we're not holding them hostage, but in the other she was saying m