we walked through the 10-year note -- 10-year cip, which addresses all of the need that are dire for the system. we look at some lesser systems, which excluded the flood control. it did not have the biosolids drawing and other improvements. we looked at a $7 billion program, which reduced the flood control and did not have the outflows, and then we walked through an $8 billion program that met all the levels of service, so now, i think i will be joined up here now by our finance person, and we will walk through some of the impact issues. >> kerin what you three hypothetical examples, but it gets real when we get our bill in the mail, and what of the good things for san franciscans, we have very affordable water and sewer rates, but part of the reason is that we have deferred maintenance over the past 25 years, and now, it does have to be some fairly large numbers. we have run the scenarios but look at the average bill and looks at how rates would have to change as well as the affordability index, which is similar to what the u.s. environmental protection agency does when they determi

on the waste water cip update, one thing that would be helpful, talking about the programs, there is a huge difference but not a lot of explanation as to what has changed. some of that you can figure out when you go through it, but a quick and erroneous conclusion could be that the program has grown out of control, and i think it will service all to have a couple of paragraphs to talk about what the migration was from one to the other. epo and then on the update on major developments, one thing i was curious about, the criteria for inclusion or exclusion of projects. >> steve richie, with water. this was about major developments that we could identify, and we actually were working for -- i guess i would say that the criteria that we used was were we aware of a project? that was a fundamental measure. so, for example, there was talk over time about the cow palace. nothing was a recent on that. so we did not include anything related to that. what we did include was what we have a readily available information for hi, -- what we did have readily available information for. vice president

the 10-year cip plan that was moved through the commission, there is the watershed assessment for each of the basin's -- basins, but this is a very public process. you are talking about a lot that are in people's neighborhoods, so just to give you an idea, before development, now, really are buildings, our streets, the plan, 10 years ago, we were not thinking so much about a low- impact plan. it was out there, but we were not really thinking about that. and opportunities to make use and see stormwater as a benefit and not so much as a nuisance. commissioner torres: the present building? >> this is an imaginary location. commissioner torres: ok. >> bioretention basins. the cesar chavez. it will take awhile to chip away. we have completed one it -- one project that was completed in the southeast part of the city. it has pavement, planters. basically, we did monitoring before the project, and we will be doing monitoring to see how it does in different types of storms. but now, i get to my fun part about the triple bottom line. this is a big one, because we are being asked to look at this

how do we use this world today in our,cip, planning to create platforms to leverage the real actions in the years and legacies we're putting together? >> thank you. >> one of the things we've noticeed our community climate development plan is greenhouse gases reduction metric, is pretty key integrator for integrating a lot of different activities so we've kind of adopted this approach of, an adopt the,un,fc. what needs to be done in order to do this we have to look forward 50 years ahead and we have to say, okay over the next 50 years we're going to have to stop using fossil fuels and this is a transition we're involved in. as a planning tool this is a mote or motivator and we'll have to stop to experience that and reduce those. >> thank you. >> i'm with the, hetch heatchy water and power. one was the comment that with a plan to contact people and reach out - we've got a new opportunity. people are tired of hearing about energy and water sufficiency. we've all been doing that's an agencies distributed water for a long time. global warming and climate change, as it now reaches out to