so depending how intricate they get with respect to the section 4 motion of the cipa. that's going to determine what's a reasonable trial schedule. i think that jack smith has thought as december 11th as being reasonable, having calculated everything he has. one of the things i think that he cannot necessarily control which the hearing is happening, donald trump's attorneys are dragging their feet in getting the type of clearance they need to get the documents in. it's almost as if they say, hey, we can't look at this stuff because they haven't given us clearance. therefore, they're dragging their feet. barring anything else, it's clear that a december 11th trial date is realistic. are you going to get that? probably not, because there's going to be a lot of back and forth. but i do think we could still reasonably shoot for something in the first quarter of 2024. >> okay. we'll have to cancel christmas or hanukkah, but maybe after new year's? >> love this panel, thank you so much. >>> what impact could all of these investigations have on 2024. we'll talk to a polling e

trial date and at least based on the reporting, it doesn't seem like there was discussions of the cipay're going to put that stake in the ground to try to have a trial. >> so one of the notes that "the new york times" reporter on this submitted or sort of has tweeted about is something i wanted you to expand on for us. this is from "the new york times." beneath the scheduling issues was a fascinating philosophical scruggs of the nature of trump as a defendant. it revolved around the question of should trump be treated like any other defendant or did his role as a candidate need to be taken into account. one, expand on that for us. and two, where do you come down on that debate? >> i think it's also related to some of the reporting that talked about the judge in this case really pressing the defendant's counsel on why this case is complex. under law -- under the speedy trial act, trials need to occur within 70 days of charging in which a judge makes a decision to exclude certain information -- certain time, it's justified. what the judge is saying, explain to me why this is complex, to

about donald trump's defense team, one of the things that has come up, with respect to a conversation cipa the classified information and protection, act is the issue of graymail -- to put pressure on the prosecutor because you want everything expose when you're dealing with classified information and get them to make a decision with what it is that they put it at how much that they put out. now that you are putting in front of jack smith a new fact to navigate with respect to -- what is it with these cameras out that you are going to put out in front of the public and how much of that are you willing to put on the line from a national security standpoint in terms of proving your case? so, this is a very key strategy. not to mention that donald trump, of course, is the key -- he is the king of narrative. and this is also an opportunity for him to sort of play the victim and not necessarily be prosecuted -- >> right. >> but claim he's being persecuted -- >> right. but kristy, may 2024, for the january 6th trial in the classified documents case -- how is that going to impact the trial date t

you've got this federal act called cipa.ings because he couldn't find a lawyer. you see where this is headed. the difference here, jim, is that donald trump is just saying, give me the whole enchilada. just postpone it indefinitely, whereas i think judge cannon is more likely to give him bits and pieces, delay here, delay there, and then you turn around, and it's already past the election. essentially it's death by a thousand paper cuts. but trump may be overplaying his hand by asking judge cannon to go ahead and delay this thing indefinitely. i don't think he'll get that. if judge cannon grants that, i think she'll be reversed by the 11th circuit and possibly even taken off the case. >> interesting. as of thursday, both trump and walt nauta, their attorneys had not taken necessary steps to apply for security clearances to review documents for that case. i mean, what does that say about the effectiveness of their counsel, or can you just read between the lines and see some of this as delay tactics? >> i think it's a delay ta

you're going to have a lot of pretrial litigation over the classified information procedures act, cipa, that's the law that determines how you use all this classified stuff in a trial, and that is kind of unavoidable on the defense or the prosecution side, and it is going to take up a lot of that short time window that we have to work with. >> fascinating conversation. we've got to leave it there. andrew mccabe, evan perez, laura coates, thank you for joining my. >>> how is former vice president mike pence handling the trump factor as he courts republican voters in iowa? that's up next in "the situation room." remember the things you loved... ...before asthma got in the way? fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it'sesigned to target and remove them and helps prevent asma attacks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing probls or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a

hold both parties' feet to the fire, and i think the first thing that has to be dealt with is the cipassues, and that to the media's disappointment may be closed next tuesday, but the court has to appoint a court security officer who will help with sorting out the classified documents, seeing where they'll be stored, the clearances and determine how long that review will take. some of the legal arguments, for example, they ask for -- they need a lot of time because there are hundreds of thousands of documents to review. well, that doesn't take 17 months. i mean, a lot of the cases i'm involved with, we have that volume of documents. it's not like the old days, there are vendors, search terms. those are reviewed every day. it's the classified documents that are the problem. and i think what judge cannon needs to do is determine what motions are going to be made. which ones require evidence hearings. i think she will probably set another status conference and determine what's a realistic trial date. >> you know, when we were talking about this the last time, you were talking about this t

she let the government educate her on how this cipa process is going to work. the amount of discovery and -- pretty is that trump's lawyers. and she kind of held trump's lawyers, particularly todd blanche, held his feet to the fire. -- tried to him and henri to bounce around with the amount -- what the timeframe would be for motions and how much time we -- really need. she did really play into that. game so, i thought she did just fine, hearing what exactly as i would have expected a hearing like that to. go >> harry litman, was this the same judge cannon that we were hearing from last year? >> no. it's a an adjacent one. i would disagree with bradley. but i would call it hyper coaches. you just heard from each of them, and then one paragraph -- issue my ruling promptly. she, i think, was being careful not to mess up. she knew she was under a lot of scrutiny. we will really know how she did when this order issues. >> glenn kirschner, that's why i have limited the question too did, she get anything wrong? because that was really kind of her only opportunity in t