thank you for that clarification about circ. i think everybody on the commmttee does fully support it. good morning to both of you. general, we all on the committee understand this is an important time in afghanistan. and i think it would be useful to be able to consider president karzai a reliable partner. it's sometimes hard to understand what he says versus what he does and vice verz sa. i had a couple of questions in that regard. how do you best explain what seemingly is his material personality, one day he talks about common causes with the taliban and then another day goes down to kandahar and pleads residents to cooperate in the upcoming fight. and then secondly, i had a chance to get to know minister atmar and had great respect for his talent and his vision. what do you think his departure might mean for the important, maybe even crucial, police training effort? >> thanks senar. on the first question i think there are a number of explanations, if you will. first of all, perhaps political leaders occasionay differentiate

thank you for that clarification about circ. i think everybody on the committee does fully support it. good morning to both of you. general, we all on the committee understand this is an important time in afghanistan. and i think it would be useful to be able to consider president karzai a reliable partner. it's sometimes hard to understand what he says versus what he does and vice verz sa. i had a couple of questions in that regard. how do you best explain what seemingly is his material personality, one day he talks about common causes with the taliban and then another day goes down to kandahar and pleads residents to cooperate in the upcoming ght. and then secondly, i had a chance to get to know minister atmar and had great respect for his talent and his vision. what do you think his departure might meannfor the important, maybe even crucial, police training effort? >> thanks senator. on the first question i think there are a number of explanations, if you will. first of all, perhaps political leaders occasionally differentiat

thank you for that clarification about circ. think everybody on the committee does fully support it. good morning to both of you. general, we all on the committee understand this is an important time in afghanistan. and i think it would be useful to be able to consider president karzai a reliable partner. it's sometimes hard to understand what he says versus what he does and vice verz sa. i had a couple of questions in that regard. how do you best explain what seemingly is his material personality, one day he talks about common causes with the taliban and then another day goes down to kandahar and pleads residents to cooperate in the upcoming fight. and then secondly, i had a chance to get to know minister atmar and had greatespect for his talent and his vision. what do you think his departure mighmean for the important, maybe even crucial, police training effort? >> thanks senator. on the first question i think there are a number of explanations, if you will. first of all, perhaps political leaders occasionally differentiate th

and the other question is what are the circs and the risk? it is not an overall question, i think you could go either way? >> okay. dr. stanger? >> i think that there was an attempt to learn the lessons of iraq in afghanistan and to hire local nationals. >> right. >> as uch much as possible. i think we ed to reflect on what jobs we are hing them to do if most of them are -- >> we are hiring them to guard our troops. >> we're hiring local nationa to guard our troops? >> local nationals afghanistan or third country nationals in iraq. the point being that they are privatized so just respond to that. >> regarding a camp? >> they are providing forced protections and providing our forces the security so that they can operate at a base. >> i think because of static it is permissible. >> that is where i think your bright line does help and i commend you for drawing that bright line. >> at the risk of going to the end of the spectrum that the chairman put me at earlier, having lived in this neighborhood for 30 years, i doeptd thi don't think it is abo