and he said, "no, circ i don't have any." i said, "do you have any piercings?" he said, "no, sir, i don't have any." i said, "we want to keep it that way." and then he told me he thought about letting his hair grow out ask his father found out about it-- lived in georgia and drove to texas and took care of the hair he was thinking about growing. and i said, "we want to keep-- no tattoos, no piercings, and i think you've got a very nice haircut." >> rose: you sound like a lombardi. >> no, i just sound reasonable to me. >> rose: so suppose a peyton manning or-- before cam came on the scene-- or peyton manning said, "i really want to play for the carolina panthers. my contract is coming up and i know you can afford me, but i'm thinking about getting a tattoo." >> well, that's a hypothetical question. >> jerry reminds me of bear bryant's line and when they asked him about long hair he said, "if i have to grow it to win i'll just grow it." >> rose: there's another great story, who was the famous coach for the-- for u.c.l.a.? john wend. john wooden. and somebody they