on the other, to what extent do the anti-circumvention provision to prevent circumvention? when you look at the internet you can get a perfect copy of the day it comes out. that may not be the case in the future as we move toward a model where people are accessing content on the internet. perhaps the each with with each infringers circumvent will decrease. perhaps will do more to circumvent in the future. these are all things congress needs to consider. there is the basic standard in the sony case. it is not a question to which i have a good answer but a difficult one that requires a lot of tough questions. >> are you all in agreement that there -- that we should not be repeating the process that the librarian of congress has gone through in the past, which is to say not just issues exemptions every three years and reduce any advocate has to satisfy, and if they fail to meet the burden, the exemption disappears or is never granted in the first place in the case of tablets. larry? >> open notice hearing were they here to block and turn it into a popularity white house -- con

in the dmca but that amendment simply clarifies that the definition of circumvention excludes circumvention and initiated by or on behalf of the owner for wireless communications device solely to connect that device to a wireless communications network. this basic fix would restore the common sense market-based approach that ruled the day until last the sober. so these are my brief 2 cents and i i look forward to hearing from artists in which panelists, barin ryan chris jerry and larry. working together more generally i am hopeful that we can and unnecessary government intervention in the wired -- and score an important victory for american consumers. thanks again for having me. [applause] >> thanks so much for coming. my colleague from competitive enterprises and co-sponsor of our event as they have been for many of our events in the past. i'm sure we have will we will be from any of our events in the future. to his right is chris lewis director of public relations at government relations of public knowledge which we have worked with a number of times. we don't agree on everything but this

but that amendment would simply clarify that the definition of anti-circumvention excludes circumvention initiated by or on behalf of the wireless committees and stood by solely to connect the device to a wireless communications network. this basic fix would restore the common sense market taste approached that ruled the day until last on dover. so these are my brief 2 cents and i look forward to hearing from our distinguished panelists berin ryan jerry and larry working together more generally i hope we can and more unnecessary government intervention in the wireless marketplace and ultimately scorn important victory for american consumers. thanks again for having me. [applause] >> thanks so much for coming. our panel of. today includes my colleagues ryan radia. cei is a co-sponsor better than today as they have been for many events in the past and i'm sure will be for many of our events in the future. to his right is chris lewis director of public relations, government relations at public knowledge which we have worked with a number of times. we don't agree on everything but as ajit sa

with that amendment would clarify that the definition excludes circumvention initiated on behalf of a wireless communication device solely to connected to a wireless network. the basic physics would restore common-sense a market-based approach on toe last october that ruled the day. these are my $0.2 and i live for rigged to know-how hot hearing from our panelists and hopefully we can end unnecessary government intervention in the marketplace and for an important victory for consumers. thank you for having. [applause] >> our panel today includes mike colleague and we have chris lewis which we never to the number of times we don't agree on everything but this is a rare issue where people of all stripes can certainly agree to. government out of the way to encourage competition. to his right is jerry brito also an expert and tax policy and slightly more academic than we are over here on capitol hill. and finally larry spiwak president of the phoenix center and he has covered telecom policy over many years and is here to push back in a healthy way on the consensus. so i will start with yo

that amendment would simply clarify that the definition of circumvention excludes circumvention initiatedy or on behalf of an owner of a wireless communications device solely to connect that device to a wireless communications network. would restore the common sense, market-based approach that rule the day -- ruled the day until last october surprise. these are my brief two cents. i look forward to hearing from our panelists. ,orking together more generally i'm hopeful we can and unnecessary government intervention and wireless marketplaces -- in the wireless workplace. thanks again for having adrian -- for having me. [applause] >> thank you for coming. can everybody hear me? -- panel includes [inaudible] be together for many events in the future. to his right is chris lewis, director of public relations -- government relations at public knowledge, which we have worked with a number of times. we do not agree with everything, this is a rare issue where people of all stripes can certainly agree that we should get government out of the way to encourage competition. sitting to his right is a

away from dense sort of hotbed of discord in clashes day in and in that second largest carrier circumvention city and it is really hard to say exactly how long the sense standoff between. between the president doesn't stumble and they're coming from different areas of the city and the police are going to walk because obviously people are very determined to get to taksim presented to the store and sort of the ultimate goal most sacred goal right now but police are obviously all there in in in huge numbers attendance tens of thousands of police. officers really on the streets and. we don't exactly know what all this standoff is going to have the last thing going on for several hours it's going you know you've been there for quite a while covering this story it's been going on this particular crackdown has been going from on for about two weeks now what is the general mood across the country. well at this point people are outraged and i would dare to human that after this particular person which really has been jerrine very quick and not altogether expected to be frank i think people will get e

but to them, do a circumvention where you would allow illegals to basically jump in the front of the. people are saying let's find common ground here. we're not going to deport people overnight. but this is not the way to do it. to give benefits to people ahead of schedule. one of the great strengths of this immigration reform package is illegals have to wait 15 years before collecting government checks or getting subsidies or being on theublic doll. if they jump ahead of american citizens, this is dead in the water and will chase people away forever. >> shannon: allen, i want to ask you specifically, senator boxer says some of the funding of what she's proposing to cover would come from the application fees of those who would apply to become legal under this bill, but that money is supposed to go to secure the border. so diverting the money from securing the border to covering health care costs to those here illegally, how is she going to sell that? >> we have fewer people coming to the country than leaving the country. but in terms of the financing, we spent $10.7 billion a year on