citino: if you don't mind i will take that one.holtiz was arrested and taken prisoner by allied forces. the allied were listening to all the german generals conversations, they were all tapped for use in later war crimes. as historians we have been swimming in those waters nicely you have all these records. holtiz said repeatedly, when i was in crimea, sebastopol you said, i carried out the fuhrer's orders about the jewish question to the ultimate detail. i followed them and asked with a detail. do not brag about it. he said let's be honest, that is what we all did in the east. it brings to light the point that this was two different wars. dr. nolan: there is a horrible racial war which would seem like the outmost barbarism. in the west police the war tended -- the germans tended to treat the war in a much more transactional contests of strategy. it is one reason why rommel has an inappropriately elevated reputation for morality and decency and so on. rommel's career in fact was directly tied. is a metaphor many are cries. then i r