. >> we have the citizens sister city.e than 30,000 married in indonesia. >> that is always a very important part of bilateral relations. we need to take another break on the program. when we come back, we will continue this fascinating conversation with mr. ahmed syafri, the representative of the indonesian economic and trade office in taipei. i will see you in a few minutes. ♪ >> ♪ >> welcome back to our program. i am your host, wu ray-kuo. we continue our conversation with mr. ahmed syafri, the representative of the indonesian economic and trade office in taipei. you and i were talking about ways the relationship between indonesia and taiwan have developed over the years. one that is very important is the into marriages between the two sides. i was fascinated by the figure you mentioned. what is the incidence of marriage between indonesian people and taiwanese people? do you remember the number roughly? do you remember the number that comes to your office? >> roughly is about 30,000. there is a sister city between indon