overturning buckley versus vallejo, and citizens united.connect between lobbyists giving my directly to legislators, and enforce them that gets in the flood of money from all different directions. i wish i had a silver bullet for you. i wish i could just say, here is one answer. even the constitutional amendment, which i would support , and think might eventually get passis, if congress would a law, and the supreme court would have to decide on that, that woul could be the deal that overturns buckley versus citizens united. host: how far would it bring it down? guest: you have congress that could pass a law and forced the supreme court to decide on it. you have presidential candidates the i hope will here, for instance tonight, i hope we will trump,n carson or donald or marco rubio, or john kasich, or somebody talk specifically about what they would do in the white house to do something about this flood of money and taking interests, and in away the dream of democracy. do they support immediate disclosure? with a support supreme court justi

now my problem with citizens united was that it took away all restraints. it's not that they allow money to be used in politics, and nor do we really expect a level playing field. no one has ever suggested -- while people have suggested that all candidates be restricted to a certain amount of money and no one has ever thought that was a good idea. >> i'm not a student of the constitution but it does seem to me many of the values in the cost situation are usually weighing test between different minorities and it seems here where you have money out of control which is what i believe you are suggesting now that the balance is so far out of kilter that could not the court take that approach and rationale? >> well that's what the minority did. it's not a simple thing and i don't want to try to make it seem it, despite my example. i wrote the book on campaign finance reform. i wrote the book on that because my wife and i were down in williamsburg having lunch with an old friend and he asked me what i thought of mccain-feingold. i said well i think it's not a bad

now i think citizens united is a terrible decision. i think the code finished the court overreached itself -- the court overreached itself. it certainly doesn't look good. >> does a question and intelligence these supreme court justices? couldn't they realize what would happen with all that money for people to spend? >> it doesn't say very much for -- >> let me say two words to you. donald trump. what happens if you have somebody that's very rich? can you restrict how much they can spend on their campaign? the court says no. perhaps in a world governed by bernie sanders that would be but for the most part we do not restrict people spending their own money. also let me give you a different example, one that i use with my students. let us assume for the moment i am inarticulate. that's my son making faces. let's assume i am inarticulate. i can't get up before crowds. i don't really like and i'm going to have strong opinions. mark your however is running for office and it turns out that every one of the ideas i hold mark supports, okay? n

overturning buckley versus vallejo, and citizens united. a disconnect between lobbyists giving my directly to legislators, and enforce them that gets in the flood of money from all different directions. i wish i had a silver bullet for you. i wish i could just say, here is one answer. even the constitutional amendment, which i would support , and think might eventually get passis, if congress would a law, and the supreme court would have to decide on that, that woul could be the deal that overturns buckley versus citizens united. host: how far would it bring it down? guest: you have congress that could pass a law and forced the supreme court to decide on it. you have presidential candidates the i hope will here, for instance tonight, i hope we will trump,n carson or donald or marco rubio, or john kasich, or somebody talk specifically about what they would do in the white house to do something about this flood of money and taking interests, and in away the dream of democracy. do they support immediate disclosure? with a support supreme court

josh: short of overturning turning citizens united, what do you hope can be done? >> there are six core reforms as part of a weedy people pledge that we have launched, challenging 10,000 granite stater' s to sign this pledge" call on the candidates to support these reforms. one of them is to address the citizens united ruling that said no limits can be put on money. 80% of republicans and 83% of democrats want that overturned. beyond that, what we could do court is moved to a system of small, donor driven public funding of elections. you could do it through a tax credit, you could use of vouchers. families who provide half the money to a system where millions of americans are determining who can run and what they stand for. we need to get rid of the pay to play system where lobbyists fund campaigns, even as they are trying to get officials to vote for them. josh: you are talking about things that go way back, this is almost a tradition in politics. i' m not saying you are talking about money. the argument can be made, how effective is the money? in new hampshire, w

. >> if it's so corrupt, why were citizens united upheld. >> they were two issues in citizens united they were compelled to interpret in a strict way. here, it is changing the way elections are funding. giving candidates the options to fund campaigns, without depending on the billionaires, millionaires or the wealthy to give them the money needed. >> it makes me think of the presidential race, president obama and mitt romney both raised about a billion apiece. did it influence the race. do you think that people, donors are calling the white house saying to the president that i gave you this money and expect a favour in return. >> a problem we have is focussing too much on the presidency and don't realise there's another brans, and that is congress. i don't believe the presidents are engaged in quid pro coe. some think they are. i don't think that's the problem, the problem is the institution of congress is dysfunctional. it is a failed institution. they are thinking can we take this position. given the way the funders will respond. are we allowed to bring the issue up, given if we do

will fight toi overturn citizens united and moved to public funding of elections.lic funding of elections. [applause] bernie sanders: together, we are going to and at the voter suppression imposed by many republican governors all over this country. [applause] bernie sanders: in america, we should have one of the highest voter turnout rates of any country on earth. not one of the lowest. [applause] bernie sanders: i am running for of vitrioliccause republican rhetoric. we must protect a woman's right to choose. [applause] bernie sanders: and we must defend planned parenthood. [applause] bernie sanders: i know, i know that i speak for every person in this room when we send our condolences to the families of those killed in fighting's attack inn friday's colorado. we must also fight to make certain that ar-- that our gay brothers and sisters continue to have the right to marry. [applause] bernie sanders: i am running for useident, because we must this planet in a way that is children and our grandchildren. i have three grandchildren right here in new hampshire. [appla

and so we agree with the citizens united decision at the club for growth. and stepping back for the full debate, i don't have a problem with americans spending money in the political process talking about what is our country should look like. he sides with statistics about how few people actually did that. to me the problem is we need more people who will decide this matters for the future of my children and our country and our community. i want to get involved. if they can contribute money to groups they believe in, or volunteer and get out there and work in the campaign. i think if you have an open system of equal playing field, everybody knows what's going on and everybody has the same rules for how they can participate, that we're going to get a better result in the election house of representatives republican line, virginia beach, virginia, rob, go ahead. >> caller: good morning. i just want to say that i think these primary elections i would like to see a conservative candidates not forget about the christian right wing of the party, not so much focus

will fight toi overturn citizens united and moved to public funding of elections. public funding of elections. [applause] bernie sanders: together, we are going to and at the voter suppression imposed by many republican governors all over this country. [applause] bernie sanders: in america, we should have one of the highest voter turnout rates of any country on earth. not one of the lowest. [applause] bernie sanders: i am running for of vitrioliccause republican rhetoric. we must protect a woman's right to choose. [applause] bernie sanders: and we must defend planned parenthood. [applause] bernie sanders: i know, i know that i speak for every person in this room when we send our condolences to the families of those killed in fighting's attack inn friday's colorado. we must also fight to make certain that ar-- that our gay brothers and sisters continue to have the right to marry. [applause] bernie sanders: i am running for useident, because we must this planet in a way that is children and our grandchildren. i have three grandchildren right here in new hampshire. [a

one of the worst decisions ever made in the history of the supreme court by a 5-4 vote on the citizens united case. [applause] by a 5-4 vote the supreme court said the wealthiest people in this country, they said you already own much of the economy and now we are going to allow you to purchase the united states government and that is what they are trying to do right now. now i am very proud to tell you i'm the former chairman of the u.s. senate committee on veterans affairs and we worked very hard to protect the interests of our veterans. [applause] and as is a member of the veterans committee i have talked to some wonderful people who fought in world war ii, korea and vietnam all the way through iraq and afghanistan and these people are putting their lives on the line and of course many of our soldiers never came home. to defend american democracy. american democracy is not about billionaires buying elections. [applause] when you have a situation where the second wealthiest family in this country and the cup brothers and a few of their friends -- you have heard about the koch brothers. okay.

citizens united was a brilliant landmark in restoring individual liberty. enhancing the marketplace of ideas as well. generally, they have taken a very libertarian approach in all areas of speech. there was a decision called zarrella against vermont in which they reinforced basic principles of free speech. the case called alvarez was somewhat controversial, but maybe point that at least with respect to political, ideological, and scientific one your thoughts are constitutionally protected and the reason for that is, we don't want to allow an orwellian truth ministry to govern the marketplace of ideas. the dynamic in this area, and just about every other, these reflect justice kennedy's decisions. the court can go as far as justice kennedy wants to go and no farther, except with respect to the affordable care act. i will come back to that. kennedy has a libertarian approach to the first amendment, that is where the court is going to go. lastd a step backwards term, which was probably the worst term sense of the neck and 70's, where chief justice roberts wrot

guest: paul, the reason citizens united court case had an effect on this i.r.s. scandal is only because it allowed nonprofit groups to play a greater role in politics by opening up doors on what they could spend money on in politics. it did not create the tea party. you're absolutely right. but it created the ability for tea party nonprofit groups to play a larger role. that's all it did. as far as democratic attacks on the tea party, those are definitely real. those did happen. but, you know, there was misconduct perhaps on both sides of the aisle there. tea party groups did suffer as a result of the i.r.s.'s actions whether those targeting actions were the result of malicious political targeting or the result of just lax oversight in the agency. i mean, that's what was under investigation. but, certainly, the end result was that tea party groups suffered. host: here is a comment, a question from twitter. ultimately what governed whether a political group will be granted tax-exempt status? aren't tea party groups currently tax-exempt? guest: tea party groups can

most and support and -- important responsibility of the president of the united states is to safeguard the lives of the citizensf the united states. that truth has been driven home over the course of these last few weeks. a russian airliner downed in egypt, suicide bombings in paris -- terror in paris, two dozen dead in mali . extremism known as isil must be confronted and destroyed. solution.s a global the un security council issued a call to take all necessary measures in the fight. lead a concerted, international effort to destroy organizational capacity of isis. toabilityerm overcome this evil depends on our values in the actions we refuse to take your home. i'm talking about this. democracies are very vulnerable on turning on themselves in the aftermath of a terror attack. depends on the courage and resolve, and yes, intelligence of the american people. individual citizens must resist fear-based appeals of their own politicians. opportunismlitical are a toxic mix. mix that can often precede fascism. [applause] in the last two weeks, from campaign ads, front pages, fox news, fear german politics is everywhe

were actually able to agree on during my tenure were regulations to implement certain aspects of citizens united and the mccutchen decision. of course, people can file complaints for violations. you can range

and that citizens united meant a tremendous influx of dollars that were unregulated and undisclosed, and they often set up nonprofits in order-because that ensured that there would be -they do not have to list their donors when they were a nonprofit. so, what we are trying to do is to make sure that everybody is covered in that everybody is treated equitably. >> thank you very much. going along with that, so, we get some sense to the people who viewed this, do you think this measure ballot measure goes far enough or do you believe it goes too far in your opinion and will start with you, i lena >> thank you. it's an interesting question. i think there has to be a number of issues that need to be looked at within the world of lobbying, but what this does is basically restore what we had before, makes it all-inclusive, which is what we had before, and that it's an enormous burst up and one that could make a difference down the road. >> thank you very much. debbie? >> it goes way too far. it was not necessary to include nonprofits in order to get at the types of problems that a lena has

he probably wanted to write a more narrow scope in citizens united.estore the first amendment to what a naturally meant, i think he went alon [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national able satellite corp. 2015] captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption contents and accuracy. visit ncicap.org >> steve lombardo recently talked about the activities and their influence on elections. after making remarks he took questions. this is 45 minutes. this is abou. on behalf of faculty, staff, and stints at the new hampshire institute of outtakes, i would like to welcome you and thank you for joining us at this morning's event. our goal at the institute is to engage students in political life and strengthen democracy. not endorse political issues or candidates. this morning speaker, steve lovato, is a graduate of the class of 1981. he achieved his masters in public policy at st. louis university. he's the chief marketing officer at koch industry. this morning, he will b

our politics. >> but bernie's been saying this for a decade. >> not citizens united. >> we've been talkingut this have -- >> and if he were playing jeopardy, would not say foreign policy. i think he would pick something along the lines of domestic moral issues or something. he didn't know to name one ally to fight isis on behalf of, these are easy. just say a name. i don't think he's familiar with the topic. >> i think there's a mistake republican voters are making that because he's a neurosurgeon and smart that he's informed and he's clearly smart but not informed about world politics and when your arer running as a president, that's a problem. >> we've been really patient and thus far, it hasn't transferred over. >> things don't transfer over. i always loved basketball, my favorite sport. i don't know anything about hockey and everything i know about basketball tells me nothing about hockey. and that doesn't help me when it comes to hockey. >> right. >> i think for carson it's an even bigger problem. i agree with everything they've said. his language is wrong, his knowledge isn't there a

defeat her, because we are going to be vigorous in standing up to super pac' s and this disastrous citizens united supreme court decision, which has created a corrupt campaign finance system. i don' t care if you are conservative or progressive. most americans do not believe that millionaires and billionaires should be able to buy elections. i am one of the few major candidates for president who does not have a super pac. we have raised money from apiece, because we are talking about the issues and fighting for the rights of the middle class and working families of this country. fernando: having said that, senator, not having a super pac puts you at a disadvantage. a significant amount of money, no doubt. as you go further into this process, obviously you will be competing with super pac' s. how do you intend to fight back? mr. sanders: fernando, that is a fair question. hillary clinton has a super pac. clearly some of her money is coming in from the wealthiest people in this country and large corporations. we don' t have that. and i don' t have it because i am very clear, i do not represent the b

were actually able to agree on during my tenure were regulations to implement certain aspects of citizens united and the mccutchen decision. of course, people can file complaints for violations. you can range anywhere -- i can talk about these now because they are public, although we decide them in confidence. there was an allegation, despite the fact he was in jail, about jesse jackson and his use of campaign funds for his personal use and for purchasing mink coats for his spouse. there are issues -- kirk: jesse jackson, jr. ann: junior. we have a number of personal use kinds of issues. there are complaints about illegaly coordination because the supreme court has said it is improper to coordinate with independent groups and the candidates because that is a protection of the law so that there can be independent, truly independent expenditures. kirk: let's get it on the table. you have been quoted frequently, lately saying the commission does not have much hope of doing its work during the 2016 election cycle because of a three-three split between democrats and republicans. republicans on the co

about defending obamacare, women's she also talked about raising minimum wage and going after citizen's united. the room did go quiet when she talked about meeting today with mother's who lost their children to gun violence. on that, she talked about working on improving the trust between law enforcement and the community. but she talked a lot about ending senseless gun violence. 39:18 and then those kids that were gunned down in playgrounds, school buses, outside a church. their stories need to be told too. 29:28 cause they are the victims of the gun violence that stalk our country. 90 people a day die from homicide, suicide and tragically avoidable accidents. a majority of american and gun owner say we need to make changes. but what stands in our way is the most powerful lobby. the nra. they itimidate, bully legisilate into doing whtat they want. that must end my friends, when 33,000 people a year die from something, shame on us we clinton said to respond, she wants to create real comprehension gun reform, close the gun show loophole, deal with online gun sales, and take away liability immun

>> that's the citizens united. and some prop-up candidates. you talk about millions of people watching, but there are also millions of dollars at stake. and there's no reason for any of these candidates to get out, even if they only have a marginal proportion of support. so they are fighting the last war, and they will continue to, and we may be here three, four, five months from now wondering, why are there still a dozen people in the race, when few of them have ever had a chance. >> jeb bush had more money than anyone else, and it's not helping him. and donald trump has more than anyone. so i disagree that it's about the super pacts. >> if i meist add, the super pact money, going back to gingrich, extending his stay in the race, and walker had super pact money, and that didn't preserve his position in the race, but it does have a way, both the millions of dollars in super pact money, and the viewers, not having a consensus candidate, to extending the race more than before. >> all you need is one line in the campaign forum that may resonate w

citizens united was a brilliant decision, landmark in restoring individual liberty and, enhancing theof ideas. generally they have taken a very libertarian approach in all areas of speech, commercial speech. there was a decision called sorel against vermont where they reinforced basic principles of free speech. case called alvarez. somewhat controversial, made the point, listen at least with respect to splittal and idealogical and scientific debates, even knowing falsehoods are constitutionally protected and the reason for that is because we don't want to allow an orwellian truth ministry to govern the marketplace of ideas. again, the dynamic in this area and just about every other area i will talk about is, these reflect justice kennedy's jurisprudencal inclinations. the court goes as far as justice kennedy wants to go and no farther except with respect to the affordable care act. basically in justice kennedy has basically libertarian approach to the first amendment, that is are with the court's going to go. we had a step backwards last term which was probably the worst term since th

he probably wanted to write a more narrow scope in citizens united.to restore the first amendment to what a naturally meant, i think he went along with it. >> i want to thank this wonderful panel. i've got my marching orders. thank you very much. >> friday the federalist society on civil rights, criminal justice and police relations with the community. it's live on c-span2. coming up on c-span2, a look at efforts to prevent military suicide and later secretary of state john kerry on u.s. policy in syria. >> on the next "washington journal", presidential candidate on the lessons he learn from the run from the democratic. then authors of the book sold out discuss how some u.s. companies are abusing the guest worker program. and we'll take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. "washington journal" live on c-span. >> c-span has your coverage for the road to the white house 2016 where you'll find the candidates, speeches, debates and most importantly your questions. this year we are taking our road to the white house in clas

this decision is known as citizens united.'t so interested in campaign financing until citizens united. ray: yeah, the corporations now can contribute unlimited amounts, and they were very successful, by the way, in contributing before this. can you imagine how successful they're going to be to contribute unlimited amounts? lillian: corporations all of a sudden are human beings, individuals, and can spend without limitation to support their candidates and their programs. this is very scary. narrator: since the privatizing of prisons began in 1980, prison population has increased more than 500%. and incarcerated drug offenders have increased more than 1,200%. russell: most of my friends, uh, went to jail at some point, over drugs. just as these people who are locked up, the prison- industrial complex pays the bills of the politicians, so much so that they either turn their head or they frame it that we're soft on crime if we don't lock these people up. we got to get the money out of politics. the prison-industrial complex, the

defeat her, because we are going to be vigorous in standing up to super pac' s and this disastrous citizens united supreme court decision, which has created a corrupt campaign finance system. i don' t care if you are conservative or progressive. most americans do not believe that millionaires and billionaires should be able to buy elections. i am one of the few major candidates for president who does not have a super pac. 750,000 americans, averaging $30 apiece, because we are talking about the issues and fighting for the rights of the middle this country. fernando: having said that, senator, not having a super pac puts you at a disadvantage. a significant amount of money, no doubt. as you go further into this process, obviously you will be s. how do you intend to fight back? mr. sanders: fernando, fair question. hillary clinton has a super pac. clearly some of her money is coming in from the wealthiest people in this country and large t have that. and i don' t have it because i am very clear, i do not represent the billionaire class or corporate america, and the way we are going to do it, the way

our politics. >> but bernie's been saying this for a decade. >> not citizens united. >> we've been talking- >> and if he were playing jeopardy, would not say foreign policy. i think he would pick something along the lines of domestic moral issues or something. he didn't know to name one ally to fight isis on behalf of, these are easy. just say a name. i don't think he's familiar with the topic. >> i think there's a mistake republican voters are making that because he's a neurosurgeon and smart that he's informed and he's clearly smart but not informed about world politics and when your arer running as a president, that's a problem. >> we've been really patient and thus far, it hasn't transferred over. >> things don't transfer over. i always loved basketball, my favorite sport. i don't know anything about hockey and everything i know about basketball tells me nothing about hockey. and that doesn't help me when it comes to hockey. >> right. >> i think for carson it's an even bigger problem. i agree with everything they've said. his language is wrong, his knowledge isn't there and i think he

senator sanders have brought up the issue of citizens united and campaign reform.he have your vote as someone who might carry the banner on this? >> there's no doubt that senator sanders and hillary clinton, i think, have the right policy selected. but the question is, have they committed to getting these policies actually enacted first to make it possible for our congress to actually do anything? that's the critical difference here. these issues that i'm talking about which include campaign finance but also the way we gerrymander districts to create this radically polarized, completely dysfunctional house of representatives, these issues require an attention and a focus to bring the american people around to recognize why we have to solve this problem first. and what i'm concerned about is that it's very uncomfortable for politicians to talk about the problem, the problem child in the room, which is congress, to talk about how this institution has failed and will continue to fail unless we bring attention to how it needs to be reformed. and so that's why i don't t

that we were able to agree on during my tenure were regulations to implement certain aspects of citizens united, and the decision. and, of course, people can file complaints for violations. and it can range anywhere -- i can talk about is now because they are public, although we decide them in confidence -- there was an allegation despite the fact that he was in jail about jesse jackson and his use of campaign funds for his personal use and for purchasing make coats for his -- mink coats for his spouse. >> this is jesse jackson junior. ms. ravel: junior. and we have a number of personal use kinds of issues. there are complaints about illegal court a nation because the supreme court has said that coordinateper to with independent groups. and the candidates. because that is a protection of the law so that there can be independent, truly independent expenditures. mr. hanson: let's get it on the table. you have been quoted, saying that the commission doesn't have much hope of doing its work during the 2016 election cycle split between-3 democrats and republicans. and republicans have been quoted as

said that chief justice roberts was relubblingtnt to take the steps that they ultimately took in citizens united as quickly as justice scalia wanted him to take it but ultimately came around to it. and it's really interesting to talk about quirks. if the solicitor general had not given the completely truthful answer that yes of course this means you couldn't publish a book criticizing hillary clinton, the corporation couldn't do it, we may have had a different result in citizens united. and that's what led to a question by justice alito, by the way, and that's what led to a lot of people rethinking and reargument. so i strongly suspect justice -- chief justice roberts was the one putting the brakes on that. i strongly suspect he wanted to write a more narrow opinion. but once the momentum had developed to overturn austin and restore the first amendment to what it naturally meant, i think he went along with it. >> i want to thank this wonderful panel. i've got my marching orders. thank you very much. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national c

to the rear microphone. >> some of you talked about citizens united. what is your sense of this in cases like that, mccutcheon, arizona free enterprise club, since united, wisconsin right to life, who is the swing vote? who is with the last one to come onboard? >> i think you need to take those individually. we all know there was a famous to speak between justice scalia and chief justice roberts about the wisconsin right to life. again scalia takes the approach that you need to destroy the village to save it. chief justice roberts takes the approach keep the structure there but make sure it doesn't really mean anything. as you go and sort on the scalia sighside of that debate that ita fundamentally, if there's a precedent that is incompatible with basic first amendment rights then it should be cleaned up, not through this incrementalism step. that's a long answer to your question, which i strongly suspect in light of what the published opinion said that chief justice roberts was reluctant to take the steps that ultimately took in such as united as quick

i now declare that each of you is a citizen of the united states.as it hard for me to give up my guatemalan citizenship ? yes and no. i was afraid that by giving it up... i was going to, like betray my country. but at the ceremony today, i remember they were saying something about that... you don't give up your traditions and your customs. you pass that along to your family. i have my baby. i want him also to know what my background was. i think that he's going to realize... that it was a big part of my life to become a citizen. so how did bill get along with the kids last night ? he said they behaved like angels. i told him he must have gone to the wrong house. good night, mr. brashov. and congratulations again. good night. and thank you, my friends. - when do you take your citizenship oath ? - oh, not for a while. but they'll let me know. the important thing is i passed that test. and i couldn't have done it without you. good night. good night. i did it. i'm going to be a citizen ! oh ! good evening, cesar. senor brashov. cesar. stay a minute. tod

but after citizens united, virtual silence. the polluters used citizens united's new political artillery to shut debate down. money can be speech but it isn't always. money can also be bribery, bullying, intimidation, harassment, shouting down and drowning out. the legendary turn of the century political fixer, mark hannah, once said, "there are two things that are important in politics. the first is money. and i can't remember what the second one is." he didn't say that because money is just free speech. money is political artillery. and look at the munitions. my gosh. most dark money political ads in the last election were negative ads, at times virtually all up on the air have been negative ads. many ads have been reviewed and deemed false or misleading, at times a majority of the ads running were deemed false or misleading. that's not debate. that's artillery. the power to fire that artillery opens the way for secret threats and promises to use or not use that artillery and it does cause corruption when a politician won't v

. - everybody loves to beat up on the koch brothers, in the context of citizens united. before we knew what the koch brothers were they had done their damage. because in 2008 they realized, "we don't care about washington. "we care about the governorships. "because what's going to happen is "we're getting ready to have the decennial, "and we're going to gerrymander the hell out of "these congressional districts." it isn't an accident, in texas, in alabama, in ohio, they've all followed the same play book. - [voiceover] funding for overheard with evan smith is provided in part by: mfi foundation, improving the quality of life within our community. also by hillco partners, a texas government affairs consultancy. and by the alice kleberg reynolds foundation. (fanfare) garrison keillor: after serving in the united states navy, galway kinnell was a field worker in the south during the civil rights struggle of the 1960s. he's been a macarthur fellow, the state poet of vermont, and a winner of the pulitzer prize and the national book award. "a poem expresses one's most private

joining us the president of citizen united and david, glad to have you with us. what do you make of all of these classified e-mails in the utter challengeable untrue claims? >> it's sort of remarkable. i am going to be honest with you. i just shake my head all of the time over what this white house and state department is doing. you look at what the general had had happen to him over a lot less er offense. now, look at clinton hundreds of hundreds -- by the way it's the you duty of the person sending to know if it's classified. they train the people to do that. these claims by her are crazy. there's a big problem and the fbi has to be seriously looking at that. >> the fbi may or may not be. let's be real honest. the fbi has been taken it's sweet time. this is a straightforward issue for this fbi. >> well, let me just -- >> let me finish. this is -- i just don't think that we sit will and say that the good fbi -- that's the most politisized justice department in the country. it is. i am just going to hold back hope that when i dealt with the fbi in the 1990s and l

even if it takes a constitutional amendment we will overturn citizens united. from my very first job going door to door for the children's defense fund and more than 30 years fighting for kids, women, and families in our country i've learned how to make progress. start with our values. what we learned from our families, our faith, our country that has to be our guide. then sit down and really listen to people. try to understand the problems that may hold them back and the anxieties that weigh them down. bring people together to find smart solutions guided by evidence not ideology then work like crazy to get results. we have to know when to stand our ground and when to find common ground. that's the way that i work with republicans and democrats to reform our thoughts on care and adoption systems, extend health care benefits to the national guard and reserve. provide 9/11 first responders with the health care they needed. klee ate that children's health insurance program. that's how i helped round up votes in a divided senate to ass a landmark treaty with russia

something that you would do here in the homeland that you think is not being done now to protect united states citizens? >> well, you're going to have to watch and study the mosques because a lot of talk is going on at the mosques. and from what i heard in the old days meaning a while ago, we had great surveillance going on in and around mosques and new york city and i understand our mayor totally cut that out. he totally cut it out.

that's the way the courts have always seen it until citizens united, excuse me, d.c. versus heller 2008. >> in the first congress madison goes back and forth with the house and senate. they trapped these amendments. 12 amendments are agreed to by the house and the senate. they send them to the states. how come there's only 10 in the bill of rights? >> two of them don't make the ratification process. it's a super majority process in both houses of congress and super majority in states. it's really hard to ratified an amendment. it's really tough. it's almost impossible to get a constitutional amendment now. >> one other did get approved later. let me ask you two final questions people ask questions from the gas. one, what happened to the other founding fathers in this process? where is adams? where is jefferson and where is benjamin franklin? >> benjamin franklin is there in philadelphia. he's dying and he is carried by six very husky pressure so the philadelphia jail into a recession. he's one of the few delegates that makes every session. most of the things he says h