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i don't know if enough time has passed, talking to claire mccaskill about the man who defeated her. blood on his hands represents extraordinary escalation and a story of a republican party so compromised that it forgot about doing the most fundamental parts of their job, protecting their constituents and protecting the country and in today's instance protecting the capitol and people there. >> let's talk about steve

. >> and i'm joined by claire mccaskill, former democratic from missouri, paul butler, former water and jill wine-banks, former watergate special prosecutor. claire, i have to go to you first on this, because it is strange to have a trial to set to begin in the united states senate having watched that presentation and listened to the presentation of the case against donald trump. it strikes me that among those listening to that presentation eloquently given by jamie raskin were two people who were participants just as much as donald trump was. senators cruz and hawley. and i wonder just as a former senator yourself, how do you feel about the fact they sat there and listened to that presentation knowing that they were a part of it? and as the senator just said, there were ten senators who said overturn this election and give the loser power for four more years, if not more? >> and there were six more senators besides hawley and cruz who voted to try to overturn the election, by some phony argument about pennsylvania and arizona that were not grounded in in fact or the law. the leaders of

welker, rich lowry, editor of "national review," and former democratic senator from missouri, claire mccaskill. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history. this is "meet the press with chuck todd." >>> good sunday morning. donald trump leaves office this week with the distinction of having lost the popular vote twice and now having been impeached twice. at the same time, washington, d.c., looks like an armed camp with some 25,000 national guard troops coming to protect joe biden's inauguration and state capitols from coast to coast, they're bracing for antigovernment violence from right-wing terror groups as early as today. still, president trump, who has inspired much of this extremism, continues to hold an iron grip on his party. yes, ten house republicans voted to impeach him, but 197 voted no. and those yes votes accounted for less than 5% of the house republican caucus. and our new nbc news poll of registered voters has the president's approval rating holding steady at 43% with 55% disapproving. it's

. >>> i want to bring in claire mccaskill on the same question i posed to my colleague vaughn. it's breathtaking. the kansas city star laying it out there. this is what they write about senator josh hawley. quote, no one other than president donald trump himself is more responsible about wednesday's coup attempt than joshua david hawley, 41-year-old junior senator who put out a fundraising appeal while the siege was underway. it's stunning to read those words in a newspaper, in your newspaper. >> yeah. this has been weird for me. i am old-fashioned and i was taught when you lose an election, you take the high road and you don't spend the next years of your life pointing out the flaws of your opponent who defeated you. i have tried, which is hard for me as you know, with some discipline to avoid direct criticism of josh hawley, but the moment is coming. by the way, that concept appears quaint at this point in time that we would try to have some kind of good manners about political losses in light of what josh hawley is engaged in. he has taken what he knows is a political loss f

rich lowry, editor of "national review" and former democratic senator from missouri, claire mccaskillant to show the stark differences we found in our poll between how republicans and democrats feel about where the country is headed. we asked them to put it in their own words. among republicans we heard things like wrong direction, concerns about personal freedoms, headed toward socialism and communism and simply liberal bankruptcy. among the phrases we heard from democrats were things like hopeful, exhilarated and repairing the massive damage. also negative phrases as well including downhill, frightened and headed for the toilet. you know, claire mccaskill, i've got to just show you how polarized we are as a country, i want to show you the ratings for jill biden among republicans and show you the comparisons of what the opposing party thought of first ladies coming into office. the republicans have this incredibly negative view of jill biden, 8-59. she's not been an overly political spouse. you go back, here is what melania trump's numbers were among democrats, they weren't that high

claire mccaskill, michael steele, both msnbc political analysts, chuck rosenberg, senior fbi official joins us as well. we want to start on capitol hill with leigh ann caldwell who can take us through what we are seeing. we are in the middle of a procedural vote on this motion by republicans to set up a commission effectively to look at what they describe as the failures of the election. that's expected to fail. obviously, the vote has not been gavelled. then we hit a second procedural vote. that's the one to finish up the debate about the debate and move on to sort of the meat and potatoes, the substance of impeachment. do you have that right? >> reporter: you have it absolutely right. this vote that they are taking -- that's taking place, it's going to take a while. that's because of covid safety precautions that are in place and also because members are allowed to vote been proxy. every time a member show th mem -- votes by proxy, their representative has to stand up. it could take an hour. the second vote is on what they call the rule of the debate regarding the impeachment articl

senator now an msnbc news and nbc political analyst claire mccaskill and jim vandehei. it was painful to watch but had to be done, joe. republicans who seemed to be able to stand up to trump in a way that many others have not. to his face and to the camera. >> well, the thing is they're republicans, life long republicans, they support donald trump. they supported donald trump and they have been elected as -- >> but they also support facts. >> as officials of donald trump and we are actually starting to see a split finally in the republican party between those who are willing to actually work to engage in the president's attempt at sedition against the united states of america and undermining american democracy and those republicans, some in the senate who would go up to the line, but pull back at the last second decided that maybe, just maybe sedition and treason against the united states may not be a good way to finish out the term. but willie, the president's -- >> my god. >> the president's claims are beyond outrageous. he's picked them up from the sewers of the inte

so you're right, rev. >> cedric, it's claire mccaskill. and stick with state governments on private prisons and police reform. as you know, over 90% of the crime in this country is not prosecuted by the federal authority. it's prosecuted by state and local authorities. and that's where we see a lot of the engrained systemic racism. what plans are there? how soon will we see merrick garland as the attorney general of the united states? and what is in the works for trying to encourage through the use of funding better behavior by the states around racial equity? >> well, senator, you know that a lot of local police departments and states depend on federal funding for all kinds of initiatives within their own criminal justice system. and we will use a carrot and stick approach, but more importantly, i think that from my experience it's the tone that's set. and this president is very concerned about criminal justice reform as well as the disparities in wealth and health. and so, we're not going to run from criminal justice reform. and you'll s

. >> claire mccaskill, what did you think of mitch mccom's speech? >> i'm so attorney. he said all of the right things. and it felt like he was -- keep in mind, cruz could not wait to try to catch up. in this political stunt to try to put them ahead in iowa and new hampshire in four years. so when he was saying the words my heart started to beat faster and i thought where have you been? where have all of you ben? they stood by and watched this president destroy important parts of our democracy and done nothing. am i glad he said it today and should it go down in history as an important senate speech? yes. but for gosh sakes, they would not even vote to have witnesses in an impeachment trial. this is really not a moment to celebrate mitch mcconnell, but i'm glad he found it in his intestinal fortitude to state the obvious. you can't overthrow an election because you have a serial liar in the white house. you can't do it. >> does mcconnell's words keep the cruz-holly game, and 211, from growing? does he shrink the group? >> i'm not sure if it affects the final vote much,

and i've got to say, claire mccaskill, we saw mike lee, we saw ted cruz arriving on the west front.trange it must feel for ted cruz having had his name invoked, that videotape that's now been seen all over the world of the rioters rifling through desks saying, in effect, some form of ted cruz would want us to be doing this, and the limousine now comes up on capitol hill. >> yeah, it's interesting because we have not only seen a lot of republicans showing up, but i noticed that roger wicker wanted to pose for a picture with jack reed. jack reed now the new chairman of the armed services committee and they both were posing for pictures together on the dais. it appears, too, brian, there is a little bit of a different seating chart this time. members of the senate are up above and their spouses are accompanying them. typically your spouses are down in front in the first section facing the podium and not seated with the senators during the inaugural festivities. i also have it on good authority that the women of the senate are wearing pearls today in solidarity with kamala, and also i h

let's bring in former missouri democratic senator claire mccaskill, rich lowry and michael steele, all three of whom are msnbc political analysts. claire, i think we see the democratic debate strategy here which is, hey, this is not about the democrats versus the republicans, this is about republicans versus republicans. >> yeah, and what's going to happen is they're going to impeach him in the house today and they're going to send it over to the senate and then chuck schumer is going to use a provision that was passed in 2004, i believe he will use this provision that allows the senate to be called back by the agreement of the two leaders. so it would take mitch mcconnell agreeing to bring the senate back earlier than the 19th of january, and then the question remains how will they proceed from there. you know, i don't think i am going too hopeful to believe that i feel the ground shifting somewhat. what's happening in the senate right now, chuck, i got up before the sun came up this morning and went through the list. i've got 14 maybes and another seven possibles among the republican

. >> leading off our discussion tonight, claire mccaskill, former democratic senator from missouri, and alex wagner, co-host and executive and producer of "the circus." senator mccaskill, with your permission, i am going to adjust our seniority rule just for this once tonight to start with alex wagner because alex has been spending a lot of time in washington over the weeks of both the insurrection and as it moves into the impeachment trial. and alex, i want to get your sense of what you've been reporting on and feeling and what representative ocasio-cortez just said about the heat around the dangerous, the now demonstrably dangerous new members of the house of representatives on the republican side. >> i'm in washington now, lawrence. there's a sense of doom that settled over the city since the beginning of january. but i think what we've reached now is a real questioning on the part of democrats about whether the republican party is a political party or a death cult. the frequency with which we have to talk about the incitement to violence, hanging, murder, bludgeoning, sedition. i me

we are joined now by former senator claire mccaskill, who has been watching these proceedings all day and has watched her former workplace invaded as it has never been before. claire, it's my sense that mitch mcconnell has this wrapped up and he is giving the opponents their chance to talk now. and the people he just listed, by the way, are all going to be speaking in opposition to any objections on the republican side. >> well, i tell you, lawrence, as of 8:08 tonight i was told by more than one republican senator that they had not gotten hawley to back off his pennsylvania objection. that they thought they had everybody else wrapped up and that's why everyone spoke on arizona. you saw a lot of speakers speaking on arizona that had been slated to speak on georgia and pennsylvania. and i think what they are trying to do, it's a classic mitch mcconnell move, is to build the pressure around the one hold-out so that maybe he will relent and not object on pennsylvania. as you explained the house can't go any further if the senate doesn't go along. now, with that vote, the 14 or 15 people

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joining me now is former senator claire mccaskill of missouri.yone who's been texting you, you've been memorizing all of what they've been telling you. you talk with these senators. but i have to talk with the senator temporarily at the top, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. he said there's no chance a trial could begin this week. even if the senate process were to begin this week and move promptly, no final verdict would be reached until after president trump had left office. this is notization i am making. it's a fact. i'm now staring at you and amy coney barrett, because that was an eight-day operation. is this believable or bs? >> well, it probably is believable because it's a trial. it's not just simply a hearing and a vote, and that's essentially what a confirmation is. now, did they rush amy comey barrett? of course they did. could this go more quickly than maybe mitch has in mind? what you're going to see now is a big kabuki dance and negotiation over timing, joy. you're going to see chuck schumer -- and this is very weird because t

i want to bring in clair mccaskill and joy reid.g back to work seems in contrast to a president who was in hiding for two months. once he was off twitter, it's not clear what he did because that was really our only window into any thoughts or action on his part, joy. it's been a while since we've seen a president working in the oval office. >> it's been, for the last month, i think, the daily memo that would come from the white house would say as to the former president's schedule that he will make many calls and work very hard. these were in the critical days when the vaccine rollout was failing and when, i remember, i do watch your show every night and you would ask, who's in charge? and it was an amazing question. who's actually rubbing the government? we weren't clear on it. when we would come on a few hours later, we still weren't clear on it. who had been in charge all day so it is amazing to watch, you know, this new president and vice president go right to work. they didn't go and party. obviously, covid, you can't do very m

claire mccaskill, what do you make of those arguments and do you think it's going to have enough sway to somehow keep the republican count into single ditches? >> i don't know. i believe that people who i trust are saying that they're going to have certainly more than the five or six that have spoken up so far when they actually vote today in the house, but this is really a different calculation in the senate. you know, i'm somebody who lived through a race and watched what happened when the republican party drew away from an extremist. you know, i won by a huge margin against todd aiken in '12 because the republican party decided they didn't want that extremist in their ranks. >> who led the republican party then, claire? think about it. >> that would have been mitch mcconnell. that would have been mitch mcconnell. >> and romney. no, but mitt romney made that happen. >> he was the nominee. yeah. he was the nominee. so you've got people in the senate that have just steamed for four years over the conduct of this president and especially the older members and those that aren't running

with us now, claire mccaskill, a former democratic senator from missouri, now a msnbc news political analyst, and rich lowry, editor of "the national review" and an nbc political analyst. democrats pull off the senate. i have to say, after the november -- right after the november election, i think the conventional wisdom was, if democrats are counting on the georgia runoff seats, they're not going to win control of the senate. that's why conventional wisdom isn't so wise these days. but that didn't happen by accident, did it? >> yeah, conventional wisdom sucks when trump in the white house. >> that's great. >> trump did us a huge favor. trump spent the last six weeks bloviating about -- sense he's bloviating today with lies, but basically spewing lies, cozying up to qanon, trashing the republican governor and the republican secretary of state, instead of focusing like a laser on what needed to be done. and what happened yesterday is all at the feet of donald trump and his minions, namely josh hawley and ted cruz. they're the ones that flipped the senate. now, don't get me wrong, don'

senator claire mccaskill, our friend peter baker, "new york times" chief white house correspondent, also joining us, basil smikle and our friend joy is still with us. claire, there is so much here to joe biden simply letting people feel the loss. >> as i look at these pictures, first of all, i have an incredible sadness about how empty washington is right now. as someone who was on that podium that you just pictured a few moments ago for the last three inaugurals, even when donald trump got inaugurated, there was something that is calming about the crowds that gather to celebrate the election of a new president and also the peaceful transfer of power. the irony is, we have a president who began his presidency with the big lie about his crowds, and a president who has been fixated on the size of crowds more than the deaths of americans. the size of his crowds and the ratings on tv, way more concerned about that than what is happening to americans in terms of this pandemic and other crises they face. so, how ironic that joe biden is going to have a very powerful moment with no crowd. with

i want to bring in our colleague lawrence o'donnell and claire mccaskill. once a senate staffer. you served in the body. i want to ask about something david jolly said. he said the stakes of tonight's race in georgia is no smaller than the future of the country. without democratic control of the senate, you can joe biden's agenda will be challenged at every turn. the 12 republicans now seemingly proudly part of the sa sedition caucus. is that an over statement? >> i don't think it's an overstatement. i do think that what you have to remember is i talked to a lot of senators today, there are a will the of boy we could be a chairman feeling going around my former democratic colleagues. and around the republican colleagues is a lot of nervousness they will lose the majority. i actually believe that if the democrats take this senate, it's still going to be a very evenly divided body. the most porimportant thing to remember is democrats control what goes on the floor. that's the power of the majority is what bills come out of committee. what bills are voted on.

. >> claire mccaskill, what did you think of mitch mccom's speech? >> i'm so attorney. he said all of the right things. and it felt like he was -- keep in mind, cruz could not wait to try to catch up. in this political stunt to try to put them ahead in iowa and new hampshire in four

. >> senator claire mccaskill and i double-teamed that subject on this network. whenever i'm not around, she's doing a better job than i can on it. she's actually lived and died with those bills and these procedures, these parliamentary procedures on the floor. i've been out there, too, on the senate floor. she much more recently. she knows the dynamics much more recently than i do. >> well, lawrence, tonight i am excited about learning the ins and outs about how they can use reconciliation for two big bills i thought they could only use it for one, but because they didn't have a budget thing last year, they can now do it -- there is so much to figure out and as far as i'm concerned, it's all you. >> thank you, rachel. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. >>> well, when you give charles blow the last word, just get out of the way and let him talk because you know it's going to be great. and that's what i plan to do at the end of this hour when my friend charles blow returns to "the last word" to discuss what the georgia election results for president and the sen

former missouri democratic senator claire mccaskill, chuck rosenberg, and former maryland democratic congresswoman donna edwards. thanks for being here. michael, let me start with you because we have heard -- excuse me, congressman edwards. we've heard republicans talk about not wanting to see this kind of accountability for president trump, not wanting an impeachment, right, other methods of accountability could be on the table. congressman edwards, we've also seen some republicans, five house republicans so far come out and say they would vote to impeach. that is not a landslide yet. that's not the floodgates, but it is certainly five more than what we saw last time the president was impeached when zero republicans voted for it. an independent was the only one. how do you see this unfolding in the next 2 1/2 hours from now? >> of course we've been talking about liz cheney and the import of her coming out publicly and that really scathing statement. i'll be curious to see how many of her colleagues she is able to bring along because i suspect that there will be some. and so, you kno

claire mccaskill, thank you for joining me. garrett haake, neal katyal, reed emseen the, a lot to cover stay. ayman mohyeldin picks up our coverage as we continue to watch the senators sign the oath book. >> good afternoon. i'm picking tim live coverage of several breaking news stories. just to pick up where katy left off, you see the live screen. senators already sworn in ahead of former president trump's second impeachment trial. they're signing the oath books there in groups of four. we can also get an early look at where republican senators assistant ahead of the trial as the senate is about to vote on a motion from senator rand paul on whether the proceeding is constitutional. meantime down the street at the white house, president biden signed on ending racial inequities on a wide range of issues. things like housing, criminal justice, voting rights, health care, education, and economic mobility. joining us now, our white house correspondent for the pbs news hour, and an msnbc political analyst, mike is just across from th

claire mccaskill, thank you for joining me. garrett haake, neal katyal, reed emseen the, a lot to cover stay. ayman mohyeldin picks up our coverage as we continue to watch the senators sign the oath book. >> good afternoon. i'm picking tim live coverage of several breaking news stories. just to pick up where katy left off, you see the live screen. senators already sworn in ahead of former president trump's second impeachment trial. they're signing the oath books there

unfold, one of the people we're watching it is former senator from the great state of missouri, claire mccaskill. i just have to ask your response to what you're seeing. >> yeah. first let me say i do think we might see a little change in course because on each objection, there has to be a house member and a senator. and what you're seeing right now, rachel, is i was made privy to a list today of all the senators that will be speaking on all the different objections. and they're all talking now. they're not waiting because what this was going to be is they were going to do arizona. then they were going to go back to the house. they were going to object on georgia. then they were going to do it again and go back to the house, object on pennsylvania, do it again. and we started the evening thinking there may be even more than three. my sources are telling me in the senate that they believe now that the most there might be is just arizona and pennsylvania because of josh hawley. so the house can't go any further unless a senator goes along. and if you notice, kelly loeffler stood up and said she wa

>> well, shep, to your point about how uncontroversial this day normally is, senator claire mccaskill was asked about her recollections of this day, she said it was such a day about fanfare, she didn't even remember where she was on these prior days she left the senate after losing her re-election in 2018. she said normally they would just send a few representatives from the chamber to go represent and count and witness this normally part of history that happens without fanfare. as far as those images of those people who are outside the senate chamber and who have gathered inside the capitol, i want to explain a little bit about what it means to say there's been a breach at the capitol. not only on a day like today would you have multiple layers of security guards and federal police outside the capitol, but on any given day to enter the capitol building, you have to go through multiple entrances of security that means metal detectors and security similar to the tsa at the airport where you have your bags or anything on you essentially checked to make sure anyone entering the premises

once they got in such large numbers up on the east front and claire mccaskill was speaking earlier about how protesters were at the foot of those steps. but they have pretty much been kept -- i've never seen them on the steps themselves, there was always a way for the senators to leave, get in their cars and safely exit from the capitol grounds. once that was breached, there is almost no way to stop them from breaking windows and clearly that is how they got to the senate floor from there into the chamber. and they are talking about historic glass, when the statute ar statue area. and it is a place i love and respect and it is horrifying to see this. >> de >> jim jor adan writing a 45 pa memo writing about why they were opening. and ted cruz says they need to stop now, the constitution protects peaceful votes but violence from the left or right is always wrong and they are hurting the cause that they say they support. and jim jordan says stop the violence, support the capitol police. a little late for this sort of tweeting. i've been talking to congressman jim himes, texting with him, an

claire mccaskill, your republicans in the senate and the house can't stand up and say once and for all -- it may be too late, but say once and for all that joe biden won this election. president trump got 74 million votes. but he came up short. it was fair and square. it's time to move on and support the new president. you don't have to like what happened but you have to come to grips with reality. why? why can't republicans stand up and say that to their voters? >> the republicans on capitol hill have bought into the lies from day one. they either ignored them or they looked the other way. or worst of all, they embraced them. and the big lie that donald trump started committing, the crime against america that donald trump began really began months ago when he started telling people that believed in him that if he didn't win, the election was a fraud. and he continues to embrace the big lie. and the majority of them embraced the big lie. that's where we are. if we want unity, and i think joe biden desperately wants it. i think all of us want unity. we want to stitch this back together.

van gupta, as well as our friend claire mccaskill. first of all, claire, i don't know what this white house press office has in mind for the president, but he should do more of these. he fields the questions comfortably, and the last question was from a fox news reporter, it was a good one, and he answered it well. i want to talk about the time he took for his priority for eliminating the vitriol and going straight to the crises about that we have that affect all americans. let me hang out for a minute around the contrast. the contrast is unfrickin' believable. let me count the ways that this appearance was different than when the previous president stood at that podium. first of all, he was full of hope and optimism. second of all, he spent a lot of time talking about how we shouldn't call people names. he never mentioned his own greatness. he never mentioned his opponent. he never mentioned his election. he never mentioned the size of his crowd or how wonderful he is. he simply answered the questions. then, as you mentioned nicolle,

. >> we're also joined by former senator claire mccaskill as we watch this gathering of former presidentso somebody. i think it's going to be mike pence of indiana who's going to get in that suv and drive out into the sunset. your thoughts on what we have just witnessed and the new management taking over. >> it's quite a contrast. i remember vividly what it felt like when this ceremony was over four years ago. i remember walking back into the senate chamber and talking with some of my republican colleagues who were in shock over the president's speech, the dystopian carnage that seemed to be front and center in an address that typically is supposed to be uplifting. now, fast forward, and you have our new president leading the country in a moment of silent prayer for all of the losses that had been suffered from this deadly disease. it's quite a contrast. and i think it's one that will sit well with a vast majority of americans. i also am mad at amanda gorman because i couldn't quit crying. and so finally, i quit crying and i got my mascara and my powder and got it all better, and then she

we are joined by our friend claire mccaskill. claire? >> good afternoon. i miss you, nicolle. the last impeachment, we had snacks. i'm on my own this time. i'll tell you what irritated me about the debate, nicolle. i am really tired of people who embraced the lie of election fraud lecturing people about unity. what they did was incredibly corrosive to our democracy. they have helped the president convince millions of people that our elections aren't fair or free, and most of them know it's a bold-faced lie. they really do not come to this argument about unity with clean hands. it's like fingernails on a blackboard. . >> i keep thinking these are the same figures who have menacing words for people who carry out acts in the name of international terrorism, but when they're domestic terrorists who happen to be supported by some members of their own base, they're very, very, very afraid of speaking the truth and being brave, to put it bluntly. also along watching with is is dan goldman, who was instrumental in the first impeachment effort. i think it was exactly a year ago. dan go

claire mccaskill is here. also joining us, aaron blake from "the washington post" and a.b.r real clear politics and slayer of the insane people on other programs on other networks. let me start with you senator mccaskill. i don't know where to start. what you hear in joe biden is a disciplined politician with an economic message and a commitment to the constitution and democracy that used to not provide a contrast with the other party. but today in those live remarks we started off with, it does. >> yeah. i don't even know where to start either. i could start -- >> take your time. >> i mean, these senators, first of all, they know better. second of all, they know what they're proposing to do is fake and phony. a ten-day audit. what is that? they don't have the ability to do that. it is not even their job. it is the state's job. as tom cotton said, to administer election. and these votes have been counted and recounted and challenged in court. and so the dirty dozen, the 12 of them, are just showing that they do not care about anything except radicalism, extremism, and they'

clair mccaskill is here, also white house reporter for associated press, the a.p. out with stunning tiktoks, and it the bylines of the times reporting, he's the times homeland security correspondent. jonathan, let me start with you. we didn't quote from the a.p. reporting, that's my mistake, but take me through some of the layers you unpeeled from the heinous and brute at nature of the attack has become more clear over the weekend. >> nicolle, you are forgives. what we have learned is first of all this was not the work of antifa despite what some conservatives are saying. these were trump supporters, by and large. this is something -- this is a moment in american history that we won't seen forget. it's also something, as we go further from wednesday, the details of the event only grow more horrifying, nicolle, as each day brings out new video. we're seeing up-close images of how bad things were and how much worse they almost got. we saw incredible bravery of a capitol police officers who was standing outside the entrance, was able to trick the crowd to following hi

. >> i'm going to let my friend and colleague, claire mccaskill, your friend from the senate, jump in great. congrats to you and roy both. you both did great jobs today. i kept explaining to people online that you guys were in charge of it. the rules committee. i have a very specific question. when will the first biden cabinet member be confirmed, what day, and secondly, when will the gavel come down for the beginning of the trump impeachment trial in the senate? >> well, first of all, i would love that to be today. there's always rumors about votes. we'll see what happens. we've got to get the three new people in. but it will be very soon. with the exception of josh hawley holding up the homeland security nominee, there is a lot of sentiment for a number of these nominees. even bipartisan support, much less our vote -- our margin which is slim but there. so, i can't give you the exact hour, claire. you know how the senate works. but it's got to be soon because as you know, other administrations have had key defense people in place and no other time do we need that when we've just had

and i think my question for you, claire mccaskill, who's joining our coverage now, is why did congresswoman linda sanchez have enough of a clarity about how dangerous today would be for her to, in her words, simply going to the office, that she last night called her husband and told her where her will was hidden. >> well, i think the members of congress have watched in horror as the president of the united states egged his supporters on with lies and taunts. i mean, you had rudy giuliani this morning talking, urging the crowd of tens upon thousands of people to go to combat, and within hours, they did. i don't think i've ever had a roller coaster day like this. i woke up this morning, excited about our democracy and what happened in georgia, and i got to tell you, the moment i saw somebody sitting on the dais in the senate, knowing that, you know, i couldn't even take my family on the floor of the senate, and i was a senator, unless it was a specially arranged visit, and then wandering around the capitol with a confederate flag, i mean, this is incredibly sad. this is not just law breaking.

tweet of yours from 2018 dan, write, time to retire at claire mccaskill seeing her popularity numbersn points. i'm supporting j ining josh haw 2018. doing this, you don't support. what do you say to senator hawley? >> look, in general i'm a big supporter of senator hawley and -- i think he's an original thinker. doesn't really fit in a partisan box so much. stimulus checks with aoc, not with the republican party in terms of wanting more. in the case of this i would say, senator hawley, cruz, blackburn, step back a bit. this is bad for the republic. campaigning when you should be governing. the framers intended for the people to decide, for the states to have the primary role in the election. this is a box-checking exercise. not a publicity stunt. stap back fr step back from the podium. >> see if he listens to you. glad to have you on. >>> next, pushing back against the president say they go will not challenge joe biden's win. standing up to trump. who are they? plus a situation growing more dire in california today. one in five residents testing positive. what can the state actually d

giving us a turn -- a chance to turn this around, and i would like to ask missouri, do they think claire mccaskillld have pulled the stunt that josh hawley pulled? from let's talk to kyle clearwater, florida, democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. i prefer not to talk about trump. i think we know how he has propagated lies to leverage grievances of his supporters and use it as a weapon, but what i'm concerned about is how "conservative media" is seen as an attack on conservative voices, silencing their social media, telling them they don't have a voice and encouraging this revolution to fight for your freedom. trump will shut down -- was shut down because he led a coup to overtake the government that killed many people, and could've led to the assassination of tens of lawmakers, including pence and pelosi. i don't think people are getting that. listening to the echo chamber of fox and newsmax, they are really camping this up in a dramatic way. i am just really -- camping this up in a dramatic way. i am just really concerned with how josh hawley and ted cruz amped this up and are tryi

giving us a turn -- a chance to turn this around, and i would like to ask missouri, do they think claire mccaskillould have pulled the stunt that josh hawley pulled? from let's talk to kyle clearwater, florida, democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. i prefer not to talk about trump. i think we know how he has propagated lies to leverage grievances of his supporters and use it as a weapon, but what i'm concerned about is how "conservative media" is seen as an attack on conservative voices, silencing their social media, telling them they don't have a voice and encouraging this revolution to fight for your freedom. trump will shut down -- was shut down because he led a coup to overtake the government that killed many people, and could've led to the assassination of tens of lawmakers, including pence and pelosi. i don't think people are getting that. listening to the echo chamber of fox and newsmax, they are really camping this up in a dramatic way. i am just really -- camping this up in a dramatic way. i am just really concerned with how josh hawley and ted cruz amped this up and are tr

he lied to clear -- that claire mccaskill cost our state health care when the republicans the insurancerade , the state insurance. -- i'malso lied about thanks for having me. more we have time for one call before we finish up this segment. hey, how are you doing? host: doing well. we have about a minute. say we i just want to all saw on november 3, that night trump was ahead all the way up until midnight. 1:00 in the morning. by hundreds of thousands of votes. coincidence that five of the battleground states decide all at the same times that they will the counting or wait until morning or whatever it is, that is the key. it has nothing to do with trump talking to the people in georgia. we all saw it. host: do you feel like -- do you feel like you will ever be able to trust another election? caller: say again? host: do you feel like you will ever be able to trust the results of another election? caller: i don't think, unless they straighten this out, i don't think that we will ever have an election that you will be able to trust. host: what does straighten this out mean in your mind? caller:

. >> claire mccaskill who was ultimately defeated and replaced by josh hawley and everyone is gettinge hypocrisy of some of the leading republicans. >> i think they're -- many say what, me, i did that? look at kevin mccarthy, he stood in the rotunda and said to president biden and vice president harris, i'm very proud of you, really? that's weird. it seems like to me about ten minutes ago you were saying they didn't even win. >> as they say in the business, oh, snap. you are a frequent guest with us on "the beat" but you're staying up late. good it see you, sir. >> good to see you, ari. how are you? >> i mentioned some of your experience in putting on big political events and worked specifically on the conventions which have some overlap with inaugurals. first of all, what did president biden need to do today in your view and how did he do? >> well, today was an absolutely perfect day. biden needed to basically do two things, he needed to exude competence and compassion because that is the reason he won the election. he won the election because voters judged him to be both competent a