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senator and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill and "the new york times" reporter katie benner. claire, claire, claire, it's like trump claims biden is an enfeebled shut unbut also a master rigging the public justice system. can they have their cake and eat it to? >> he can't manage to cover up a payment to a porn star, but joe biden is capable of having fingers everywhere in the justice department and pushing levers. right now the justice department is prosecuting a democratic congressman -- a sitting democratic congressman, a sitting democratic u.s. senator, bob menendez in new jersey in courtne as we speak being prosecuted by this justice department. those are two huge supporters of joeo biden.jo and his son -- >> joehi biden's son. >> and do we remember the same justice department declined to prosecute matt gaetz on sex trafficking? if this justice department is doing political stuff, they're doing it really, really badly. >> yeah. >> here's what's going on, there's g evidence. and evidence isn't a democrat or a republican or a socialist or communist, evidence is evidence. wh

our friend tim miller and claire mccaskill are standing by and will join me. me. >>> as we content to the debate, none of this is normal. we've never seen a presidential debate as early in the election cycle as this one. one of the candidates is a convicted felon and that candidates are busy trying to reset expectations he's accusing the current president of using performance enhancing drugs. with that disclaimer, it's worth pointing out there are trendlines moving in president biden's favor. don't take my word for it. karl rove on fox news over the weekend. >> there has been a trend since it may 30 guilty verdict in the new york case. the movement is among independence and they have moved in recent polls roughly 9 points toward biden and that's where it's coming from. 21% of independents in a survey shortly after the conviction said they were the less likely to vote for donald trump as a result of the conviction. >> question now? how does biden take advantage of those trends on thursday night? how does he make the cased undecided voters watching that trump's

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jacked up. >> back with me are tim miller, writer at large at the bulwark and former senator claire mccaskill. claire, this is not a new line from donald trump, right? in 2020 he called for joe biden to take a drug test. in 2016 he said hillary clinton was juicing, wanted her to take a drug test. is this truly the best he can come up with given the past? >> yeah, he doesn't know how to do anything but personally insult people. it really is his only -- that's the only song in this hymn book, and he's gotten himself in a bind because he's spent so long convincing everyone this guy can't walk or talk, i even noticed kevin mccarthy on fox today talking about how sharp joe biden is and how he knew every details of a policy coming coming back from a g7 meeting. and i'm like wait a minute, wait a minute, you were just quoted in "the new york times" saying he didn't know where he was. they're kind of caught. they can't really keep up that the guy is horrible because joe biden is going to come out tomorrow and he's going to be scrappy. you know, it's going to be really interesting to watch how joe bid

stuart: claire mccaskill is wondering why they are throwing their hats into the ring.f democrats push biden out? >> a lot of people are aspiring to the seat but they have an identity politics problem, a kamala harris problem, if one person is less popular than joe biden it is kamala harris, the person in waiting of something happened to joe biden to take the presidency. they have to pick somebody who solves the woman of color label, their words not mine, they shackle their range of choices. michelle obama checks that box. if of people check one of those boxes of being diverse, it makes it difficult for them to put up another person that otherwise would fail their own identity politics test. the realities they've been nontransparent, they've lied about the fact that president biden is running the country and the dishonesty persists no matter who they put out. when i was at the nbc debate last fall, one of the things i said is democrats needed to be honest that it was not going to be joe biden who was the nominee, was left off by the left as a conspiracy theory. it has b

. >> joining us now is a new york times reporter and claire mccaskill. trump claims that joe biden is a shut-in also simultaneously a political puppetmaster. can they have their cake and eat it too? his son, and do we remember that the same justice department the client to prosecute matt gaetz on trafficking? the justice department if they are doing political stuff, they are doing it badly. here is what is going on. there is evidence and it's not a democrat or a republican or a socialist or a communist. what is happening is cases with evidence go to court. when there is not evidence, they do not. it's not complicated. and doesn't have anything to do with whether you are democrat or a republican. >> it seems like they painted themselves into a corner. they have nowhere to go, so the only thing they can do is echo what he's saying which is that none of it israel. when in reality, you've served in the senate and they know it israel. this was not joe biden. >> what is most damaging is what they are attacking. first they go after free and fair elections and s

senator and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill and new york times reporter katie benner. claire, it is like trump claims biden is an enfeebled sudden but then also simultaneously a political public mastermind rigging the justice system. >> yeah, he can't manage to cover up a payment to a adult film star but joe biden is capable of having fingers everywhere in the justice department and pushing livers. right now the justice department is prosecuting a democratic congressman, a sitting democratic congressman, a sitting democratic u.s. senator, bob menendez from new jersey is in court as we speak being prosecuted by this justice department. those are two huge supporters of joe biden, and his son. >> joe biden son. >> do we remember that the same justice department declined to poppy -- prosecute matt gates on trafficking? if this justice department is doing political stuff they are doing it really badly. there is evidence, and evidence is not a democrat or republican or socialist or a communist. evidence is evidence, and what is happening is cases with evidence go to court and

former senator, co-host of msnbc's how to win 2024 podcast claire mccaskill is with us. also joining us senior adviser to the lincoln project and altogetheror of "the conspiracy to end america: five ways my old party is driving our democracy to autocracy," i think i called it the first must read of the cycle, it's fantastic, and with me at the table for the hour nbc correspondent vaughn hillyard. he was there yesterday to witness history. vaughn hillyard, this opening of our show and the questions i asked was inspired by your much shorter report on "nightly news" that i saw that was unbelievable and included this reporting that you did on trump's supporters there. let me play that as well and i'll turn it over to you. >> would you want him to seek retribution against those who have brought these charges against him? >> oh, of course. they should go to jail. if you're going to make false -- if i made false accusations i'd be thrown in jail in two seconds. >> he's not going to get angry. he's got too much to fix. he's not a vengeful person. >> he's running as a vengeful pe

senator and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill, along with retired four star general and msnbcitary analyst barry mccaffrey. i want to head over to ukraine first, to you, richard, what did you get out of that news conference? >> reporter: well, i could hear the excitement in president zelenskyy's voice. i've met president zelenskyy more than half a dozen times since this war began, and he's been talking about these fighter jets since the beginning. he's been pounding the table saying ukraine needs fighter jets, it needs to be able to defend its air space, and now he says that squadrons of fighters, not just f-16s, are going to be coming. he said this is the most important agreement that ukraine has signed with the united states since ukraine's independence after the collapse of the soviet union. ukraine has been pushing to use either frozen assets or proceeds from frozen russian assets also for a long time. so this was an extraordinary moment for ukraine. i interviewed president zelenskyy, i think it was about four or five months ago, and he was at a very different state, the b

hilliard, nbc news senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez, former democratic senator claire mccaskill from missouri, and tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark. he served as communications director for jeb bush's 2016 campaign and is an msnbc political analyst. okay, gabe, what are some of the top lines we expect to hear from president biden tonight? >> hi there, chris. president biden is expected to try to make that clear contrast the campaign has been talking about for the last several months, differentiating himself between current president biden and former president trump and also hit the issue of reproductive rights. within just the past hour or so following a supreme court ruling the biden campaign out with a statement that women's health, lives, and freedom remain in peril across the country because of donald trump, essentially tying the former president to those abortion rulings that we're seeing right now. the other key point for the biden campaign is something they've been making since the start of this election season, that donald trump remains a threat to democracy,

senator, former prosecutor claire mccaskill. t to have you, claire. >> she does not go to burning man, nor does macrame. >> no, no. also, just pointing out, she has an amazing podcast, as well. >> it is amazing. >> podcast of the stars today. co-hosts the podcast "how to win 2024" with jen palmieri. we love it. >> yeah. >>> let's go straight to the top story this hour. pennsylvania's democratic governor josh shapiro is pushing back against donald trump's constant claim that america is, quote, a failing nation. in an interview on msnbc last night, shapiro, a biden campaign surrogate, had this blunt response to the former president's attack. >> i got a message to donald trump and all his negativity and whining. stop [ bleep ] talking america. this is the greatest country on earth, and it is time that we all start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand that this is a great country, understand that we have a whole lot going for us. now, it's time for us to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out

senator claire mccaskill, thank you, as well.preciate it. >>> still ahead on "morning joe," donald trump and joe biden last night sparred over roe v. wade just hours after the supreme court's ruling on emergency abortions in idaho. we'll discuss that decision from the high court, and we'll go over yesterday's ruling by the federal judge overseeing donald trump's classified documents case that will likely further delay that trial. >>> before we go to break, willie, we need a palate cleanser. we need to cheer up. i mean, i'm good. i'm good. but everyone else needs to cheer up. what do you have planned for "sunday today"? >> yeah, a little bit of a break from the politics on sunday mornings. this weekend, i've got a great conversation with one of the hottest and best artists in all of music right now. lainey wilson. she won a grammy award for best country album. she is the acm and cma entertainer of the year. she's blown up after a long road. 13 years in nashville, now having her moment as one of the most popular artists in all of m

claire mccaskill and tim miller, thank you, as well.ll see you tomorrow for post debate analysis. we're all going to be a little sleepy tomorrow morning but happy to be here. >>> still ahead on "morning joe," dow jones ceo and "wall street journal" publisher joins us with an update on his colleague, wrongfully detained american reporter evan gershkovich, whose trial is now under way in russia. >>> plus, house speaker mike johnson is criticizing president biden's handling of the war in gaza. the letter he sent to the white house weeks before prime minister benjamin netanyahu is set to address a joint session of congress. "morning joe" will be right back. >>> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. [ laughter ] i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. thanks to skyrizi i'm playing with clearer skin. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions and

joining us now from the debate spin room in atlanta is our beloved pal former senator claire mccaskillnbc political analyst. claire, dying to know how you think things went tonight and what you've been hearing ever since. >> firstng the easy part donald trump a liar, a flawed character, mean, a jerk, very unlikable, and that was obvious tonight. now, the hard and heart breaking part. i have been a surrogate for some presidential candidates in my time. i know what is job is after a debate of a surrogate. i've never wanted to be a surrogate more than i do right now because when you're a surrogate you have to focus on the positives. but i very clearly and very plainly am on this network, and my job now is to be really honest. joe biden had one thing he had to do tonight, and he didn't do it. he had one thing he had to accomplish, and that was reassure america that he was up to the job at his age. and he failed at that tonight. now, does that mean that my phone blowing up with senators and campaign operatives and donors, big donors from all over the country? does that mean that joe biden i

amna: former senator claire mccaskill who has long been a strong surrogate for president biden as have you said after the debate that the president had one thing to accomplish which was to go out and prove to people that he is up to the job at his age and in her words he failed at that last night. do you agree with that assessment? >> i do agree he had a poor night. the totality of the president's work especially at the crisis time coming out of covid, we are at the tip of that sphere and we see it. i don't think you judge the body of a person's work on one night. i have confidence in the president because he has delivered and to be very candid, the thing i was disappointed last night and quite concerned because of what donald trump said. he was very articulate in his belief that he should deny women report of the rides, he was very articulate that he did nothing wrong with january 6. that worries me because of trump presidency is something almost unfathomable and when we saw poor performance out of the president, that makes it more of a reality. i certainly won't defend the performanc

joining me now is former senator, claire mccaskill, msnbc political analyst and co-host of how to win 2024. and ruth, new york university professor of history and author of strongmen. thank you both for being here and claire, i want to start with you. let me read to you congressman thompson who chaired the january 6th select committee. his response to donald trump's return to capitol hill. after inciting a deadly insurrection that decimated the halls of congress, how dare trump show his face on these grounds. congressional republicans allow him to waltz in here when it's known he has no regard for democracy. since january 6th, donald trump has repeatedly doubled down on his disrespect for the rule of law and continues to sew hate and division. he still presents the same dire threat to our democracy that he did three years ago and he'd be wise to head back to mar-a-lago and await his sentencing. unquote. your thoughts. >> well, it's something, isn't it? watching them all clap and you know, i look at the folks i served with who would tell me in very plain terms what a disaster donald tr

senator and former prosecutor claire mccaskill. cohosts of the msnbc podcast, how to win 2024.m just going to leave that there. and staff writer for the new yorker, susan glasser. >> dave martin, you have traveled around the country. you have talked republicans. you have talked to elected leaders on both sides of the house. you know like i know, because i have talked to them too, all those people clapping and all those people hugging donald trump and all those saluting donald trump, they all hate donald trump. they all say terrible things behind his back. and even that guy right there said, if you are a christian, jd vance, if you are christian, you cannot vote for this man. and yet here, we are. >> they are living a life that they are not terribly thrilled about but it is a life they have chosen. because they're voters like him. their voters love him actually. and they live in fear of their voters. and that is the issue. there is a fundamental difference between the leadership class of the party and the rank-and-file voters. they are not the same party. and you have a residue

joining us now, claire mccaskill and brendan buck. claire, let's talk about the debate parameters. does it take the energy out of a debate? you won't have an exchange like that. >> you might. i'm not sure a mute button will stop trump from continuing to talk and badger and say ridiculous things, especially if biden does a good job of getting under his skin. that should be one of his goals. when i was doing debate prep back in the day, andrea, my staff used to shout when we were doing the mock ones, pivot and punch, pivot and punch. that's what joe biden has to do. he has to take some swings at a lot of trump's policy positions. most importantly, he has to show how strong he is and he is willing to go toe to toe with this guy no matter how out of control trump might be. >> brendan, someone you know very well, paul ryan, was on the vice presidential ticket. i don't know if you were involved in debate prep then. it's all about who is making an impact in those moments. we just played those with michael beschloss. there's a lot involved. the latest poll, 16% of voters say they are open

i think claire mccaskill, there's something to be said for that.r it and there's no opportunity, he should do it. anyone else that wants to should do it. >> judge jeanine: one of the biggest issues is the money. you've got the dnc has got the money but you have the biden-harris campaign that has money. that money can't be moved, as i understand it, except to kamala harris. in order for kamala harris to get at that money, she's got to be offered something like a supreme court position, someone like soda mayor steps down. there's a lot of money at stake here. hundreds of millions of dollars. it's not transferable learn easily. people can hold that they take care of kamala and she goes voluntarily but they are going to figure out some way to pay her. >> greg: gavin has this advantage. there's too little time to let the american people that his california experience. the more they know about him, the more they know they won't want to. >> dana: democrats when they start doing theoretical matchups against trump will realize joel might be their best optio

i'm joined by claire mccaskill, nbc and msnbc political analyst and co-host of msnbc's "how to win 2024dcast. stewart stevens, senior adviser and chief strategist for mitt romney's 2012 campaign. claire, i'll let you react to the fact that senate republicans blocked the bill to simply protect the right to get ahold of contraception. the vote was 51 to 39. lisa murkowski and lisa collins voted with democrats. after that vote chuck schumer announce that i had will vote on a bill to protect ivf access. your thoughts? >> well, i don't understand it because many of them said, well, we, of course we support contraception. this is one of those weird deals. what do they want the democrats to do? the democrats have the majority in the senate. they have an obligation to try to pass legislation that they think is a priority in america. this didn't have to be a show vote. all the republicans had to do was vote yes. all they had to do was vote yes. but they voted no, which tells you all you need to know. you mentioned missouri, let me tell you how crazy it's gotten in missouri. abortions -- all abor

senator claire mccaskill, very good to have you with us tonight.p talking to people, keep letting us know what you are hearing from inside democratic politics and those people in high elected offices that we will never ask you the name of. our friend stephanie ruhle is back. >> i've been talking to current democratic lawmakers, former lawmakers but more than anything, donors and their really frustrated tonight. they are upset and not frustrated going out, joe biden didn't do a great job, maybe i'm going with donald trump. absolutely not. they're frustrated because they said donald trump gave us exactly what donald trump does. he showed up and shows facts checkable lie after lie and we all ready knew cnn was not going to fact check them so they're especially angry with joe biden's team. they're very happy with all the policies joe biden has put forth and meet happen over the last 3 1/2 years but that he and his team made a decision to put him in that position where donald trump got up there, told those lies, but it was about performance and he came

. >> brian: claire mccaskill called a crisis former senator from missouri.oe biden said it's hard to debate a liar. nate silver came out and said. >> ainsley: a liar he? said border patrol union endorsed him the border patrol on x said no we would never do that nate silver said biden should drop out. freidman said he cried watching. he was weeping from i think lisbon which is -- who wouldn't be there during the debate for the "times." press to my knowledge just columnist. kristof liberal said he should leave. how does he leave? he controls all the delegates. 95% of them. he picks them not only do they choose him but he picks them to represent him. if he goes to the dnc, in august, and wants to do this. and jill wants to do this. nobody legitimately has leverage over him not to do this. >> brian: such a good point, brian, from my perspective, not just him being on the ticket when it comes to democrats. it's what he is doing now. can he be president right now? who is making the decisions, someone that meets with him all the time house speaker mike johnson is g

clair mccaskill, the former senator from missouri say we call this a crisis. comes back and says well, it's hard to debate a liar. and he said i think i did well last night. that, to me, is an indication where he is not going anywhere. i thought ari fleischer made a great point. he just said for us, this is a joe biden we have been seeing. for many people in the democratic side and possibly some of the 73 million that watch. they have been seeing that for us, we go, yeah, i have been telling you that, for them to say where did this come from, perhaps? brings in steve doocy who is at a secure location great juke box diner in virginia and rachel campos-duffy in the swing state of georgia. i should say swing state of virginia now, steve. keep in mind joe biden in won virginia by 10. hillary clinton won virginia against donald trump by, i think, four or five, something like that. this morning here at the juke box, diner, i have been talking to people about the disaster that was last night. and they all saw it. you know, all the white house and the campaign had to

. >> also with us now, is former senator claire mccaskill and chief political analyst, chuck todd.ious as to how you see the impact of this? >> yeah, you know, contrast is everywhere. i hope that those voters that will make a difference, particularly in the swing states, are paying attention to the contrast. you had donald trump giving a speech over the weekend that was bizarre, a rant about sharks and nonsense. then you had president biden at a cemetery in france celebrating those heroes that gave their lives to fight tyranny and support freedom of the world. now here's another contrast. as andrew pointed out, and others have pointed out, you have a president who doesn't interfere, doesn't pardon his friends, doesn't lambast the rule of law even though he had the power to stop this prosecution against his own son. i have to tell you, i understand the heartbreak that joe biden and his entire family must be feeling. this is an addict who admitted his addiction in the most public ways and to go through what he went through over the last week, to have it so painfully brought out on th

just listen to how former democratic senator claire mccaskill put it on msnbc shortly after the debate ended. >> joe biden had one thing he had to do tonight, and he didn't do it. he had one thing he had to accomplish, and that was reassure america that he was up to the job at his age, and he failed at that tonight. >> jonathan: a chorus of biden allies outside of the party leadership, liberal commentators, party strategists, and former elected officials, are now publicly urging him to step aside and allow the party to choose a different nominee at the democratic convention in august. privately, some elected democratic officials are saying essentially the same thing. is it too late to go in another direction? technically no. democrats haven't normally nominated anybody yet, but as a practical matter, the only way for the convention to choose a different candidate would be for biden to declare he has decided not to run and to release his delegates to vote for someone else. will that happen? well, there is absolutely no indication that biden is even considering dropping out or that anybo

senator, claire mccaskill. she and jen palmieri hosts of the podcast "how to win 2024." mccaskill -- >> former prosecutor. >> -- former prosecutor, talk about donald trump's lies over the weekend, saying he never called for hillary clinton to be locked up. and how the guy who actually promoted the politicalization of the justice department the most is the one now lying, claiming that it was joe biden who started this investigation in 2018, before he was even the democratic nominee and was somehow responsible for the new york grand jury and a new york jury of 12 finding donald trump unanimously guilty on 34 counts, felonies. >> yeah, what's interesting about this is republicans, who are denigrating the institutions that make sure we have a rule of law in in the country that applies to everyone, these folks are advocating for red state d.a.s to go out and prosecute democrats. donald trump, when he got to the white house, wanted the justice department to bend to his will and go after his political opponents. what they forget is the most essential ingredient in our rule of l

like that we are confronting a crisis confronting a crisis that was former democratic senator claire mccaskill talking about last night's debate president biden seemed though afterwards, to brush off concerns about his performance watch he did well, did you have any concerns about your performance no, i talked to debate a lot it's hard to debate a liar harry. i mean argue on twitter last night there was this whole thing. oh, trump was alive. why wasn't he getting fact check them real time? that was joe biden's job. he is supposed to be back checking donald trump in real time. if there's such an agreed, just like when you were arguing bring about procedure, you are losing you are losing and last night, it was very clear to me that the rules that were set up, which were supposedly going to be so beneficial to donald trump actually helped donald trump. they hurt joe biden. he seeming that we're supposed to be beneficial to joe biden is correct, right? yeah. correct. sorry, 505 were early for early they were supposed to be beneficial hello, joe biden. in fact, they were beneficial to donald trump.

endorse vice president biden when he ran endorn whenhe ran presidn the primary, that is so i think claire mccaskillere's something to be said for that. but if gavin newsom wants to run wan it and there's an opportunity, he should do it. >> and anyone else that wants to should do it. but don't judge. >> here's i think one of the biggest issues is the money you've got. the dnc haney yes the money, bue also have the biden-harris campaign that has money that money can't be moved, as i understand it, except to kamalao harris. and in order for kamala harris to give up that money, i mean, there's to be she's got to betin offered something like a supreme court position, whether someone like sotomayor steps down. but there's lot of money at stake here and that hundreds of millions of dollars. so it's not transferable that easily. so people can hope that, you know, they take care of kamala and she goes voluntarilke kemaly, but they'rg to have to figure out some way to pay her. danny, you know, gavin has thi s is that there will be too little time to let the american public vet america vet his calia experienc

to senator mccaskill's point, we looked at -- >> claire. >> claire.re friends now. >> yes, absolutely. makes me feel younger anyway. >> to claire's point, to my good friend claire's point -- >> she's too cool and young to be in the senate. >> absolutely. we broke the world into three portions in terms of our audience and our ability to persuade. there's a core of people that no matter what we found, no matter what we said, it wasn't going to matter. as a matter of fact, it might actually strengthen their resolve that this is a rigged process. then there's another group of people that we didn't really need to start. they had already decided that the former president caused the insurrection and was a threat to democracy. but there's some group of people in the middle, and i don't know if it's a third of america, if it's 10% of america. i don't know how large it is. it's hard for me to tell. but there's still, i think, a group of people in the middle that are not part of either core that are persuadable. >> right. >> and that was our audience, right? the

former prosecutor and senator, claire mccaskill.in 2024." also, senior columnist for "politico," jonathan martin. >> j-mart. >> i'll leave that there. staff writer for "the new yorker," susan glasser, as well. >> j-mart, you have traveled around the country. >> look like it. >> you have talked to republicans. you have talked to elected leaders on both sides of the house. >> yes. >> you know, like i know, because i've talked to them, too, all of those people clapping and all of those people hugging donald trump and all of those saluting donald trump, all hate donald trump, all say terrible things behind his back. >> yeah. >> you know, that guy right there said, if you're a christian, jd vance, at one point he said, if you're a christian, you cannot vote for this man. yet, here we are, j-mart. >> they're living a life that they're not terribly thrilled about, but it is the life they've chosen. their voters like him. joe, voters love him, actually. they live in fear of their voters. look, that's the issue, right? there is a fundamental

in atlanta at the debate, former senator claire mccaskill is here with us. plus former rnc spokesman, tim miller is here. joining us onset is former obama campaign manager and political analyst david plouffe is here. tim, i start with you. you have been making news this week with adam kinzinger's really strong, really enthusiastic endorsement of joe biden yesterday ahead of tonight's debate. talk about whether that's some wind at his back politically or whether this event itself, this 90 minutes of face to face squaring off eclipses everything that's happened before it. >> well, i think you need both. i have been just passionately begging any republicans that are opposing donald trump to actually go that next mile and support joe biden. because there are persuadable voters, all the ones that we talked about voting for nikki haley if the primaries, and think they are going to listen to people like adam kinzinger who showed courage on january 6th and are still conservatives and voting for joe biden. they will listen to the ad featuring the communications direc

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i was listening to claire mccaskill on your show and she made an interesting point.were to show a similar group of undecided voters, put them in a room, show them just that clip of donald trump talking about the sharks and then show them joe biden's speech at d-day. how many of those people would go, yeah, i want donald trump back in the white house? i want to do that again. >> yeah, it's such a good point. >> pushing back against sinclair, i agree with donny. some of it is life is not fair. it's the media ecosystem. we know this. if you watch those sinclair broadcasts many of them want to think of themselves as journalists, a legitimate journalists. some are affiliated with fox. some are affiliated with cbs. i think the kinds of montages you're playing were the exposure that really challenges that. if they find that people are ridiculing them, if, in fact, they look silly, if they look nonjournalistic, that might pique some of their consciouses or maybe the audience will see it's not the safe weather and traffic that we were expecting. part of that is turning around

senator co-host of msnbc's how to win 2024 podcast claire mccaskill is here. also joining us princeton university professor and distinguished political scholar, eddie glaude is back. tim miller is here, and former top official at the department of justice msnbc legal analyst andrew weissmann is back with us. claire, i start with you. i just want to put this out there, i think the campaign needs to start with these big buys to send a signal to even its top, top surrogates about what the message is. i've had some of the best biden surrogates on. they've all got a six-minute answer to what the campaign's about, and something about an ad like this focuses the mind of the country and the voters as well as the spokespeople. >> nicolle, as you know and i know somewhat painfully, good campaigns are based on repetition and discipline. you say the same things over and over again to the point that you, frankly, just like go please don't make me say it again but repetition works. i think sometimes surrogates forget that what seems obvious to them is not obvious to everyon