is some division, though, in democratic ranks, there are some democrats, some senators such as claire mccastald to take this on, chuck schumer, in fact, from new york saying cutting it off at $250,000 is not the right cutoff, it should be at the $1 million level, yet the campaign thinks they are on very firm ground here. >> i guess the issue is, as we all know, business creates jobs, not government, so when you make an environment tougher for business or the higher earners, they are not going to create the jobs that you would like to see, so i'm wondering if this is actually an ideology, as you said, politics, and actually poor economic policy. >> i think neither side thinks that this is going to be passed, so they think there's going to be some sort of a big grand bargain after the election no matter who gets elected, there's going to be some negotiation to avoid the fiscal cliff and what they do now is all positioning posturing, so i don't think they are viewing this in the context of serious economic policy. at the same time, the argument from the obama team is that they are exempting every