one of the stories we highlighted was that of mum claire throssell, —— how many children will be lety, and it is such a delicate and important institution, is allowing children to be murdered? it is simple. if i was the justice secretary this would be murdered? it is simple. if i was thejustice secretary this would be my single and top priority. convey so it is not working? a blank in those cases it is not working. this is not a new problem. but it is still not working, which is cause for alarm. absolutely. a little girl disclosed her father had been sexually abusing her, she disclosed this not only to her mother and other family members but in a conversation with a social worker. given she was only a few years old, the social worker still recommended contact, and her words were, she will probably have forgotten about it by now. and so contact or to be ordered, albeit supervised, and the judge endorsed that. nobody is representing their interests, nobody is helping them and they are being asked to jump through ridiculous hoops, children are being sent to have unsupervised contact wit

can i ask you this and it was something claire throssell mentioned, but how can it be that a cafcasstact was allowed? in the situation with these children, the serious case review, as you explained, set out what could have been done differently and where cafcass for below the standards expected, that needs to be acknowledged and it has been done. would you not investigate afterwards ? would you not investigate afterwards? obviously there is a serious case review done by the local authority, but would you not investigate? you are accepting m ista kes investigate? you are accepting mistakes have been made. in that case and others, yes, and the 44,000 other cases. there are many stories which end happily. of course, of course, but how do you investigate when something goes wrong? what do you do? we are subject to the same scrutiny, serious case reviews and an independent investigation takes place and cafcass conduct our own internal inquiries and the lessons are put into policy in terms of improvements in referrals to local authorities where we are aware that abuse has occurred. if i co