government is doing is illegal would seem to mandate some action and i wonder, do you think james clapper's days are number as the director of national intelligence? >> to me the question that you asked is probably the most stunning part of this entire episode. we know that with certainty that the senior national security official in the united states government, eye to the american people, into the senate and not only did he deny there was a program that the nsa was doing, denied its existence, this program has now been declared by the federal court to be illegal which means he was lying and hiding a program that was against the law. if that doesn't get you fired by the obama administration let

it took edward snowden to come forward and came forward in large part because he heard director clapper, the senior u.s. national security official tell the senate and the american people falsely that the government was not doing exactly the program that the court today said was illegal. so to have an appellate court, the first time an apel late court looked at the legality of the program, come out and

>> i know. >> jimmy: this is a clapper -- you have kids, right?eah. that's kind of part of the job description, right? but you know, they have friends over sometimes and i like -- it's fun to embarrass your kids because it's so easy. >> jimmy: yeah, but anything like -- can you like dance in front of them? >> well, yeah. no, i'll dance. they were doing -- one of their friends is a really good dancer and she was showing me this move. and of course i had to do it. which was really embarrassing for my kids. >> jimmy: yeah. i have a great move i can show you later. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> let me see it. >> jimmy: alright, you pick one hand up like this and one hand like this and you hold your elbows. >> okay. ♪ >> jimmy: then you go -- ♪ [ cheers and applause ] yeah. that's it right there. perfect, you'll never be embarrassed again! >> no, no. >> jimmy: you'll never be embarrassed again. >> oh my god. >> jimmy: your kids will love that. >> they will love this. >> jimmy: they will love that. it's a great one. >> thank you. >> jimmy: you're welcome

when clapper was asked that question, it was a public hearing and rector clapper said for him, he liked public hearings as much as he liked root canals or folding sheets. he had two huge notebooks to prepare for the hearing, neither which talked about surveillance. we were notified the day before that said or widen was going to ask this question. -- that senator wyden was going to ask this question. he was hit unaware by the question. if you read his answer, it is perfectly clear that he is thinking about the 702 program when he talks about not wittingly collecting. after this hearing, i went to him and said, you know, you were wrong. it was perfectly clear that he had absolutely forgotten the existence of the 215 program. this is not an untruth or falsehood, this was a mistake on his part. we all make mistakes. i would say i made a mistake as well thereafter because i did not think to counsel him that we should immediately send a classified letter to the committee correcting the record. i wish we had done that time. his lawyer let him down in that regard. people make mistakes all the t

i am an expert on the clapper case. have written to the "new york times" and "new yorker" on this. when you say they were untruthful, that is not correct. as a lawyer, you know the difference between an untruth and a mistake. when clapper was asked that question, it was a public hearing and director clapper said for him, he liked public hearings as much as he liked root canals or folding fitted sheets. he had two huge notebooks to prepare for the hearing, neither which talked about surveillance. we were notified the day before that senator wyden was going to ask this question. we did not get a chance to review it. he was hit unaware by the question. if you read his answer, it is perfectly clear that he is thinking about the 702 program when he talks about not wittingly collecting. after this hearing, i went to him and said, you know, you were wrong. it was perfectly clear that he had absolutely forgotten the existence of the 215 program. this is not an untruth or falsehood, this was a mistake on his part. we all make mi

, you know clapper being the head of u.s.ould share a cell together for the non-rand paul obvious fans here how is this sitting with potential constituents? >> right. so let's be clear about what rand paul is doing. rand paul is energizeing his base of the party by getting out with these comments. sort of libertarian, civil liberties wing of the republican party. that strand, he's sort of making sure to keep them excited, keep them engaged, get them donating to his campaign get them organized. because he wants to make sure he's punching up into that upper tier. what he's also doing, brooke is he's becoming the punching bag for the rest of the field. on the nsa stuff, chris christie hit him hard last night on his radio show. then you saw bobby jindal a while ago with wolf blitzer. >> let me play that. we have sound. bobby jindal roll it. >> i think when you listen to his views on foreign policy it would be a continuation even worse of what we've seen in the last six-plus years. senator paul's comments suggest he would be even

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when i see the president i was also part of the lawsuit that reached the supreme court clapper versusmnesty international and that was challenging the wireless phone tapping in the government stood up in the supreme court and said speculation the plaintiff is speculated then that they were being monitored the government would tell them. which we now know from snowden is a lie. but the court bought it and at the same time the obama administration which had challenged the day of ruling with the temporary at judge -- injunction declaring section 1021 of the nsa on constitutional the day of the ruling they sent lawyers not just government federal attorneys but attorneys from security agencies into her chambers and demanded that she reinstate the law in the name of national security roots to her credit she refused and then the next week they went to the appeals court they seventh circuit and demand the same thing and they did put it back into effect. carl mayor who is here the great historian ambriz avenue from. i don't know or is this here the great lawyers in this case who did all the wo

however james clapper, the director of national intelligence says he cares very deeply about our privacy and civil liberties. adding i think a lot of what people are reading and seeing in the media is hyperbole. the concerns don't end with the fact that private information is being stored in a database. there is also concern about how that information is actually being used. those fears were heightened when it was recently revealed that the nsa has been turning over information to domestic law enforcement agencies. john schifman is a reporter from reuters news that broke the story. >> they send it to law enforcement, to a place called the special operations division in virginia. and that operation sends the evidence out to the dea, to the irs, to the atf, the fbi, and they use the information to make cases against americans in nonterrorism cases. >> reporter: the special operations is cloaked in secrecy. according to reuters, it strictly forbids release of the source. >> the nsa will pass it to dea to local sources, and they will pull a person over, lo and behold they'll find drugs in th

it took edward snowden to come forward and came forward in large part because he heard director clapper, the senior u.s. national security official tell the senate and the american people falsely that the government was not doing exactly the program that the court today said was illegal. so to have an appellate court, the first time an apel late court looked at the legality of the program, come out and decisively say it's legal is very gratifying. >> how comfortable are you the executive branch or the legislative branch are going to act on this? >> well in some sense, they need to act on it now because there's a court ruling that essentially said the program is illegal. and that although they're not stopping the program, they're giving congress an opportunity to stop it on their own. if they don't stop it there will be this court ruling in place if they don't reauthorize it. and whether this is even constitutional at all. whether the congress even could authorize it if they wanted to or whether it would be a violation of the first and fourth amendment and the court seems to suggest ther

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it's the argument that the government made in the clapper case, in the a.c.l.u.'ound in new york, and the second circuit disagreed. they held that the meta data mattered and was important. they read declaration of experts and researchers that looked at information and found it was rich information. and they found that it wasn't so benign simply for the government to check and say they'd never look at it. if they looked at it, they queried the database when they look for a match to a selector, and de don't just stop when they find the telephone number of all the people that called the terrorists, or whom the suspected terrorist had called, they go another hop, and they look at all the people who called or were called by that level of people. if you ordered a pizza from the same place that a suspected terrorist did, your information will be gathered and analysed. the programme went one hop further, and looked at the next level of all the people who called or were called by it. this is a vast amount of information analyse every time terrorists. >> let me go back to p

clapper's testimony, as i was a witness on it. i've written to the "new york times" and the new yorker about this. when you say his answer was not truthful, that's not quite correct. as a lawyer, you know the difference between an untruth and a mistake. when director clapper was asked that question, it was at a hearing, a public hearing on the threat assessment and director said that for him, he likes public hearing about intelligence as root canals and folding fitted sheets. he had two huge notebooks to prepare for that hearing. neither of which talked about surveillance activities. we were notified the day before that senator wyden was going to ask this question and we did not -- he did not get a chance to review it. he was hit unaware by the question. if you read his answer it's perfectly clear he's thinking clearly about the 702 program, he's talking about the incidental collection. so, after this hearing, i went to him and said, you know, you were wrong on this. and it was perfectly clear that he had forgotten the existence o

we know that snowden tried to leak material to him months before eric clapper made that statement.f many false payments made. >> what difference does that make? >> he was collecting billions of classified documents for years. >> is there ever a justification to break the rules and leak something? >> i think that there may be justification. if you go through this to make sure that it won't hurt you why didn't he ask to meet with senator wyden. i know having been in the committee, there are many members who come to us and say that we have something we have to tell you, don't give running away. there are people who claim otherwise. i know that the system works. >> one question is whether he revealed secrets that endanger americans. did he carefully decide this one i'm not going to reveal in this one i will. this comedian asked him about it. >> how many of those documents have you actually read? >> i have a value weighted all the documents. >> you have read every single one? >> i do understand what i turned over. >> be difference of understanding what is in the documents and what is in

i am an expert on the clapper case.itten to the "new york times" and "new yorker" on this. when you say they were

>> well, i think our head of the intelligence community jim clapper has acknowledged that they underestimatedg place in syria. >> you were dia at the time? >> yeah. do you think it was an intelligence failure? >> no, i don't. i really look at that and -- it's easy to -- i mean, i will take one for the team, you know, the president has to decide who he's going to listen to and what information he's going to use and i think that he was poorly advised to say that. >> the president makes no apologies for being measured and deliberate about committing u.s. military resources. >> benjamin rhodes is a close aide to president obama. >> do you think we should have been alerted to the threat that isis posed earlier? >> you know, it's always easy to look back and say, you could have been alerted to a specific threat at a specific time, but the question is then, what action would that have triggered? part of what the president has brought, his approach to national security is some degree of restraint in saying that we're not going to chase every rabbit down every hole in the middle east. >> the white hou

according to director clapper.the transe national criminal groups thrive in the highly insecure regions of the world where terrorist groups that contribute to instability and conflict. while trans-national organized crime groups exploit the environments for financial gain and corruptive influence. and one example of this can be found in venezuela. earlier this week the "wall street journal" reported that the u.s. drug enforcement agency. and prosecutors in new york and miami are investigating the multiple many high level venezuela officials including venezuela's national assembly president on suspicion that they may have turned the country into a global hub of cocaine, and trafficking and money launder, the investigation is the response to the explosion of the drug trafficking and that oil rich country. u.s. officials say. and i bring up the example of venezuela. douglas has prepared remarks for the day's hearing to discuss how a block of countries will operate jointly as a political project with the under lying go

i'm gonna hit the sack after i turn off the light. [ clapping ] [ laughter ] >> jimmy: he has the clapperjust -- david? >> steve: he's still -- >> yeah, what's up? what's up? >> jimmy: are you, are you still awake? >> just my eyes, jimmy. >> jimmy: so, you're asleep, but your eyes are awake? >> yeah, technically i'm sleeping right now. >> jimmy: okay, very good. hey david, can you do me one more favor? >> yeah, anything. what? >> jimmy: can you just say hi? >> hi. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: thank you very much. david, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ we got him. he's in los angeles. >> steve: yeah. >> jimmy: he's sleeping, but his eyes are open. >> steve: three hour -- >> jimmy: it's a three hour difference. >> steve: yeah, three hour difference from l.a. >> jimmy: it's very early in los angeles. >> steve: he had to stay up a a long time because he was getting ready for the interview. >> jimmy: oh, very cool. >> steve: and apparently, his eyes glow in the dark. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: he sleeps with his eyes open, and they glow in the dark. let's check out what's going on in sports, you gu

the irs is doing it the james clapper when -- he forgot something.isa court since 1979, has had 34,000 requests for surveillance. they have turned down 12 which suggests that there might not be an adequate filter there. so all i'm saying this is going to pass. the country industry tied right now. >> you mean. >> the house version. >> you think it's going to past the senate. >> it did. >> that's what i think. the tide in the country and a any republican out there running for president detests. this it's all national security now. not privacy. >> charles, it's a political hot potato, the time is ticking, the clock is ticking. it's very healthy that these provisions expire every couple of years. the line is never a fixed one between security and safety it depends on the level of threat. it depends on the level of technology and we want to debated it every couple of years because the line has to move. i think the place where it is exactly the bill that the house had passed. the administration supports it the conservatives in the house support it it the d

we know that snowden tried to leak material to him months before eric clapper made that statement. payments made. >> what difference does that make? >> he was collecting billions of classified documents for years. >> is there ever a justification to break the rules and leak something? >> i think that there may be justification. if you go through this to make sure that it won't hurt you why didn't he ask to meet with senator wyden. i know having been in the committee, there are many members who come to us and say that we have something we have to tell you, don't give running away. there are people who claim otherwise. i know that the system works. >> one question is whether he revealed secrets that endanger americans. did he carefully decide this one i'm not going to reveal in this one i will. this comedian asked him about it. >> how many of those documents have you actually read? >> i have a value weighted all the documents. >> you have read every single one? >> i do understand what i turned over. >> be difference of understanding what is in the documents and what is in the documen

. >> james clapper said one of the taliban five contacted militants and senator lindsey graham said onebers of an al qaeda-affiliated group. isn't that a huge red flag? >> as colonel schaeffer was saying the whole thing is a red flag. the real red flag we don't have a handle on the way we are fighting this war on terror globally and here at home. why did we have to release these five particular people? they were chosen by the taliban. what we are seeing is things not thought through like the patriot act expiring. why are we allowing that to expire? why aren't we discussing it figuring out what's good and bad about it? why are these things politicalized? i agree with colonel schaeffer and disagree with general mcchrystal. look at al baghdadi he was nothing and went to prison and by the time he got out of there, he was head of isis. >> qatar officials have been meeting. there doesn't sound like a deal to extend the travel ban. what pressure can the u.s. bring to bear to force a deal? >> a great deal. qatar depends on us for economic support. jonathan is spot on. he said it there we don't

. >> well, the information became incredibly important because the director of intelligence james clapperally came to the senate and lied about the program and said it didn't exist. so if not for the information that snowden released, we would have no idea that this illegal operation was going on by the government. so this is a big day and it's a big deal that the government has to live within rules that are set and if we have a government or an intelligence community that thinks they can do anything that's a real problem for freedom. >> so do you let edward snowden come home and not face prosecution? >> well, i think it's complicated this in the sense that he committed civil disobedience he broke the law. so there will have to be some sort of punishment, but i think it could be negotiated because he did to reveal something that the government was not telling the truth about and which the courts are now saying was illegal. so i think it definitely gives some justification to it but the other side of the coin is you really can't have people who have privileged information just decide when

court of appeals says in the case aclu versus clapper. we agree with the appellants that such an expansive concept of relevance is unprecedented and unwarranted. the records demanded are not those of suspects under investigation or even of people or businesses that have had contact with suspects or of people or businesses that have had contacts with others who have had contact so even two steps removed we're gathering records that are completely irrelevant to the investigation. we're gathering up the records of innocent americans. now, the other side will say well we're not looking at them. so i have been thinking about this. our founders objected to the british soldiers writing warrants. they objected to them coming in their house and gathering their papers. do you think our framers would have been happy if the british government said okay, we're just breaking your door down, we're just getting your papers, but we're not going to look at them? do you think that would have changed the mindset of the framers? so the fact that they say they

and snow den said, what pushed him over the edge, was watching james clapper the senior national security official, go to the senate, and lie to everyone's faces but the american public, where he falsely denied, if this program existed, and it is now clear that he not only lied to the public, about a program that he said didn't exist but lied about a program that a court has found illegal, so, i don't see how anyone would say, that it would be better if he had remained silent, and left us all in ignorance about this illegal program. >>> good to see you thank you. >>> great to be with you. >>> now, to syria where u.s. trained forces will be taking on isis. the u.s. military is e dwipting members of the oppo section in a secure location overseas. ash carter says, they are training and more on the way jamie has that story. >>> just as soon as enough of the volunteers, had passed they're back ground and loyalty tests and today, the pentagon said the initial phase of that training is now underway, but it will be many months before any of those forces are deployed. >>> as rebels continue to bat

clapper's testimony as i was a witness on it. when you say his answer was not truthful, that's not quite correct. as a lawyer, you know the difference between a mistruth and incorrect. and the director said that for him, he likes public hearing about intelligence as root canals and folding fitted sheets. we were notified the day before that the senator was going to ask the question. and we did not, we didn't get a chance to review it. he was hit unaware by the question. if you see his question he's thinking clearly about the 702 program, he's talking about the incidental collection. so, after this hearing, i went to him and sayid you know, you were wrong on this. he had forgotten the sbisexistence of the 215 program. and i made a mistake that i did not think to counsel him to correct the letter. his lawyer let him down in that regard. but people make mistakes all the time. and that was just a mistake. >> all right. so, just to get to the yes or no, i guess, here. yes on the committee or no? >> yes, i think a new church committee

the director of national intelligence james clapper identified terrorism and transnational organized crime as among the top threats when he testified this past february before the u.s. senate's committee on armed services. according to director clapper, both terrorist and transnational criminal groups thrive in highly insecure regions of the world where they contribute to the regional instability and internal conflict. they exploit them for financial gain and corruptive influence. one example can be found in venezuela. the "wall street journal" reported that the u.s. drug enforcement agency and u.s. prosecutors in new york and miami are investigating the venezuelan government officials including venezuela's national assembly president on suspicion they have turned the country into the global hub of cocaine, trafficking and money laundering. it is response to the drug trafficking in that company. i bring up the example of venezuela because dennis farah's prepared remarks discuss how a bloc of countries led by venezuela now operate jointly both as a political project with the underlyin

. >>> i want to turn to bradley clapper, he covers the state department for the ap.d to see you. set the stage for us. things have been so difficult between the united states and russia for so long what can specifically occur in sochi that can have any real impact? >> well i would expect little to nothing to occur in sochi. this is basically a test for the united states of how putin plays this. the united states wants to cooperate with russia on things where they can cooperate, be that yemen as you just mentioned or iran nuclear talks or the syrian civil war. but i don't think they expect anything immediate. they kind of want to see how he plays this in the domestic press, how he plays this to his advantage or not. so i think, you know this is really a feeling out after a lot of months of areally bad relations, a lot of problems and i think we have to set the expectations really low. >> let's talk about syria specifically. really the russians are very strongly behind the dictatorship there. so is iran. is there anything that can change that position because it is in

here now is the oral argument from the case aclu versus clapper. it is an hour and 45 minutes. >> judges for the second circuit. >> okay. please be seated, everyone. good morning, again. we're about to proceed to hear the case of american civil liberties union versus clapper. i want to say one thing this case apparently is sufficient interest that it is being broadcast. i don't know who is going to watch it, if anyone but to the extent that it is going to be watched by people who aren't familiar with appellate argument, i thought i would just say one thing about what is not likely to be seen here and this case is about the bulk data collection program operated by the national security agency. what viewers are about to see is not a debate on the merits of that program, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, that's for two reasons. one as a matter of substance, the issues before us start with legal issues about whether this court even has the jurisdiction to resolve any or all of the questions raised by the plaintiffs and then continue, the questi

flags for senator ron wyden who back in march of 2013 asked director of national intelligence james clapper this very, very pointed question. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. >> joining me now, deputy legal director for the aclu. it was the aclu who argued the case before the u.s. court of appeals. congratulations on your victory. >> thank you. >> all right. how big a deal is this ruling? >> it's a big deal. it's a great ruling. we've been waiting for it for a long time now. it's a case that we filed right after the first snowden disclosures. this was the first program that was disclosed. >> this was the big bombshell one that said, hey, by way, they keep going to your cell phone providers and saying give us everyone's call records. >> every day, every day they got from all the major telecommunications providers a list of, you know, essentially this log of who you called and when you called them, how long you spoke to them for and they have that for everybody, not just suspected te

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. >> what about those who say what we saw in this case was james clapper sitting there with the not wittinglys a lie. >> it's about being aggressive and asking the right questions and doing the right digging. >> they did and they got lied to. it makes people mistrust them. >> i don't think they were as aggressive as they could have been and i don't think they knew as little as they claim to have known. >> congress overseeing this matter? >> yes absolutely. >> you said today that all of these fears about the government in this area are bologna. but you know a lot of people out there distrust the government from the irs scandal to spying on reporter to the lies that were told about the nsa. they're saying really all the fears are bologna? >> no one pointed to a specific instance where the law was violated here. i don't believe that the right way to go is to make us weaker in terms of garting inggathering information. president bush said we cannot let this happen again. the only way to do that is to intervene before the attacks are perpetrated. not to wait until afterwards. >> there's much more.

clapper. the challenge to the 215 bulk phone collection program. the case was decided on statutory grounds. the court concluded the plaintiffs had standing to sue that their statutory claims were not precluded, and that the bulk collection of phone records was not consistent with the authority that congress granted under section 215 when it passed that law or when it reformed 1861 in 2001. mr. vitka: the collection is ongoing? mr. toomey: it was remanded to the district court for orderly resolution of what happens next in the case. mr. vitka: bob, i have a jurisdictional question that i do not know the answer to. the court of appeals for the second circuit, they say that this is unlawful. they have the opportunity to appeal at the supreme court. the fisa court of review is also an appeals court. does fisc have to listen to this if it stands? mr. litt: i'm not the right person to ask that. i think the answer is, no, i do not think the court of appeals has direct authority over the fisa court. it is something they would take in account, but nothing t