the international relations committee of the us house of representatives from philadelphia. clare finkelstein as a professor of law and faculty director at the university of pennsylvania's center for ethics and the rule of law. and in cancun, mexico is rina shaw the founder of relax strategies, a political and public affairs communications firm. she's also a former republican party political advisor, a very warm welcome to all of you adults. so let's start with your reaction to this indictment because you've called what trump is going through here. political martyrdom, what you mean by that? well, persecution, 1st and martyrdom of whatever happens here to the damage has been done, even if the president is found not to be guilty. but one of the things that you failed to do in your intro is to report that these matters, of course, are 7 years old, have been looked at by the federal authorities, the i p. c. federal prosecutors, and in fact, mister bragg himself. and there were all discarded and bound to be baseless in terms of any violation that would be pursued. so. ready they were never pursue