my guest on political thinking this week is clare moriarty.'s the chief executive of citizens advice, one of the largest volunteer organisations in the country. she's no stranger to difficult times because she was the permanent secretary of dexeu, the department that was meant to deliver brexit or exit from the eu. she left thatjob to take up the job she's in now and says that it made her feel like she was coming home. claire moriarty, welcome to political thinking. thank you, it's great to be here. it's very well known, citizens advice, and yet what it actually does is not very well known, is it? so 20—odd thousand volunteers doing what? giving advice to people on a huge range of issues. so we're a federated charity. we have 257 local citizens advice, each of which is their own charity. huge range of different shapes and sizes. the kind of core of citizens advice is that generalist advice. you know, anybody can come along and ask for advice. in reality, a lot of what we deal with is benefits, debt, energy at the moment, in particular housing,