. >>> inside the theo lacy jail facility in orange county, california, clarence butterfield has been i have been writing poems since i've been in here. i've written 320 anyway. this is poem number 300. i dedicated it to my daughter. it's not what people do, it's the deeds they leave undone. that gives the soul remorse at the setting of the sun. a helpful word unspoken, a letter you did not write, now is when you said later are the ghosts that haunt at night. the burdens you might have lifted out of each other's way, the little gift of wisdom you have no time to say. in a world of harsh and bitter, a soft and gentle tone can ease the broken hearted but you had troubles of your own. >> butterfield might have thought his 21-year-old daughter rebecca was an angel but he's accused of torturing and murdering her. he says he's innocent but admits to keeping his daughter's corpse in his rv for two years after her death. he says he did so because he believed a miracle would raise her from the dead. >> for life is much too precious to leave another deed undone. i i experienced some miracles. i

we bring in clarence page, columnist for ""the chicago tribune."" welcome back.hank y >> thank you. >> you had the republicans on the sunday talk shows trying to peddle benghazi into something bigger. >> they are pushing it by raising questions and saying we need answers, we need answers, and they aren't going to wait for answers. they're going to imply or speculate that there was a cover-up of some kind in order to bury the idea that this was a terrorist attack and play up the anti-mohammed video. this has been the narrative that republicans have been pushing in order to raise suspicious. >> but, clarence, to your point about raising questions, i'm sorry to interrupt, but one -- the republican who heads the house intelligence committee, mike rogers himself, has used that tactic. take a listen to this. >> you think the president should have been told before election day? >> i'm not sure the president was not told before election day. >> you think -- that's news, that the president knew before election day. >> i didn't say that. i said i don't know. i find it -- w

[laughter] with liberal health as well as affirmative action and clarence thomas has a beautiful quote on affirmative-action quote team frederick douglass. he was talking to a group of the abolitionist you always wonder what you will do with us. you're doing a bus has caused enough. leave it -- the busload to stand on our own 2 feet. please. >> all of the doing, they were higher not in tow the one requirement was removed removed, say the to fail families but to write as they come out of their role south they're doing better points great society kicked him. but they feel good about themselves and pushed on the other related costs and is called the. >> do not love liberals give away with this in a more. [applause] >> i am glad we made the choice to come. i am very, very concerned about the integrity and honesty i don't want to find out that somebody one because they found thousands of balance in somebody's trump. order redoing about enhancing to make sure to keep the election august? please be specific. [laughter] >> i feel like i am at the town hall debates. i do have some predictions a

. >> clarence, big development with tom cole breaking from his party and saying they should support an immediate extension of bush-era tax cuts for households earning less than $250,000. and then deal with the higher income tax breaks later. this is the key argument the president has been making. he says this has to get done. it is a sign the democrats' arguments are working? is tom cole an outlier among republicans? what's going on? >> it's a sign of the diversity in the republican party and that's something that president obama's team is trying to work on. they're trying to develop divisions and to break the logjam, the big showdown that's going on between speaker boehner and congress on one side and president obama and his team on the other. so it's a sign, but we've still got a long ways to go. >> if you can believe it, the negotiations got arguably more complicated yesterday when several leading democrats called on the president to demand republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling as part of any fiscal deal. let me play what harry reid said about that. >> we would be somewhat foo

was drawn by the liberal democrats into wanting to help take care of people, and after hearing the clarence thomas hearing, i switched to republican. >> that's great. >> after the republicans inability to prosecute clinton all the way, i left them and became an independent and decided that was the best place i could find. i lovedded what you said about the courage of the black conservative. that's a subject i've been drawn to from the very beginning. it was many my heart in those days as a student when all the churches -- i was in the march to month come gsh montgomery where it was all started, and would you mind -- >> is this leading to a question? i'm waiting for the question, mark. >> i have value of my own too, even though i appreciate yours too. i wanted you to comment on the person of thomas soul if you don't mind. [applause] >> i think he's the greatest living human, and that's part of the reason my dedication is kind of a cracker jack surprise. the book is dedicated to the freest black man in america, but you have to read the book to see. that was one black man saying it about anoth

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they should take the supreme court justices, clarence thomas, put him over to play the flute. >> eric that is too complicated. give him a tambourine. the stones are now going on tour again for three or four stops. does anybody think it's time for these guys to give it up? >> dana: not as long as people pay money to see them. >> kimberly: no. ageist comment, bob. >> bob: you want to see mick jagger in tight pants going across and break his hip. >> kimberly: i hope he takes vitamins. >> brian: keith richards, 68. and i want you to hear one thing, listen to ten seconds -- >> bob: take over my segment. go ahead. >> brian: ten seconds of the rolling stones. go ahead. >> kimberly: somebody is very comfortable. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> brian: here is what no one wants to say. they don't sound good. i think they have unbelievable legacy. 50 years, fine. but they don't sound good. >> kimberly: he shakes his leg like i do. >> eric: that does not sound good? >> brian: that does not. >> eric: wow! >> bob: have you read "life" by keith richards? this guy did more drugs and did more stuff than i ever did. which

. >> once a year, balloons mark the joy that takes place inside the clarence mitchell court house in baltimore. it is national adoption date. model of wilkins and his wife, it means to 15 year old boys living in foster care officially become their sons. [applause] >> it is making it comes together, saying that they are my sons and that we are family. >> it just makes you feel good. >> 32 children were adopted in baltimore and hundreds of other courthouses across the country experienced the same warm feeling. >> it is important to promote the need for families. >> people come and go but families are forever. >> giving banks early this holiday season. long overdue for baltimore's newest family. >> thank you for allowing us to be with you guys. thank you for opening up to our house. i do love you guys and i am proud of you. >> coming up, president obama taking his first trip since his reelection to strengthen u.s. ties overseas. he is going where no other american president has gone before. >> i'll be bought a pair of baltic. the drawing is minutes away. [ female announcer ] introducing

. >> clarence thomas, herman cain, none of it counts.n't tell me the republican party doesn't have outreach. we did. but what are we supposed to do now? are we supposed to -- in order to get the hispanic or latino vote, does that mean open the borders and embrace the illegals? is that what -- i want you to think about this. if we're not getting the female vote, do we become pro choice? do we start passing out birth control pills? is that what we have to do? >> professor peterson, open the borders and everyone receive contraception. what do you believe? >> the discourse of hate is dying out. there's a lot of problems with what he's talking about but i'll take issue with a couple perform herman cain clarence thomas and folk that represent those th that tokenism. we want equitable representation. maybe rush limbaugh doesn't unrstand that up. don't have to be passing out birth control to understand women have the right to choose what they're going to do with their bodies. can you still be pro life, just don't impose your religious ideology o

where were you fellows when clarence thomas was in the hearings? were you with allen west in florida? you'll never be found when a conservative black man is attacked. you make up these things. no one was said one word, one word, about this woman's skin color. nobody has, except for them. >> sean: it's not about that, but you can't be critical, because then all of a sudden the democratic machine in the media comes at you and we're back with -- >> sean, if she were white, they would say that mccain and graham were antiwoman. there's no talk being the issues here. they'll do everything they can to deflect. let's understand something, mccain and graham are doing their sworn duty, constitutional mandate, of advise and consent. they're doing what the law demands they do. >> sean: the media apparently doesn't care, that the american people were misled, four dead americans, the first ambassador in 30 years, but it's not a big deal to them. speaking of which, when rice goes to meet with graham and mccain, according to abc, george stephanopoulos, she ran int

. >> reporter: just as clarence thomas who's own nomination was almost derailed by accusations of sexual harassment sat silently during the court hearing several months ago and issued no written opinion. >> should judges be elected, what retired justice o'connor thinks about that opinion. and that's skyler... and his mom, nancy. they're just a few of the californians who took it on themselves to send you a message about what they need to restore years of cuts to their schools. prop thirty-eight. thirty-eight raises billions in new revenue - bypasses sacramento and sends every k through 12 dollar straight to our local schools... every school. for them. for all of us. vote yes on thirty-eight. >>> tonight on a second look we've been revisiting the life and career of retired supreme court justice sandra day o'connor. an appearance she talk about oppositions in some cases including california. >> redeveloped those, who knows all judges are nominated by the president they have to be with the advice and consent of the senate. the senate has to approve that selection by the president. now that'

. >> clarence should aldermen jackson and sandy jackson be up there tonight? >> somebody should be out there tonight. i understand and sympathize with his condition it looks very suspicious and it looks really odd to be running a non campaign we see it happen and we see people like him enough. here's what i did a while ago you have to ask yourself this question if you didn't show up to a broker for one month in didn't call and didn't right, what would happen to you? i know what would happen to me. and finally tonight here is what it comes down to for me. i wish he would go way. the thing is that this guy, jackson his father the media still remembers the days when jackson would comment or demand something and everybody would tremble. i don't think it's the same shoes but at the same time i think the residuals are there i know we have been chasing him we have all been chasing him. there is no new news coming out of that investigation. we're going to take a break but first we want to report that clare b. todd eakins. wgn election coverage continues well into the

every time the republicans put one up, condoleezza rice or clarence thomas or whoever, nikki haley, they are being bashed as anti-women they have to keep trying. >> romney lost by two points. you spent decades at "new york times" which is most powerful news single entity. how do you see the political coverage of the "new york times"? >> i think there is no doubt most of reporters at the "new york times" lean democratic. there were reporters when george bush that were republican but the same reporters. i don't think you win because the "new york times" endorses you or doesn't endorse you. i think it's irrelevant. people aren't reading it as they used to. >> even journalistic study that president obama sailed in the primaries based on media affection. >> that is not going to help you overcome what he was up against. barack obama defied history by getting rye elected. he won by hundred electoral votes. >> he certainly had the media on his side. >> it didn't defy history. 11 of 15 incumbents got re-elected. >> but not with an approval rate under 50. >> jon: he seemed to have the media on his

that is josh and monster game, clarence the follow-up, used it as a shot blocking machine.hem late in the first half. here is two of the seven points. they take the lead. he pump fake and scores. less than a minute to go. there is a block number ten and stanford wins about it by 11:00. 68-57 the final. >> they were brawling in boston. former more kim kardashian. you don't do that. a shove to humphries chest.

economy as clarence pointed out the fiscal cliff tax hikes automatically go into effect january, should politicians not agree on the nation's fiscal matters and get them under control? a chicago man left fighting for his life after a brutal attack near the red line and family members say it all started with one cell phone also a teenager sexually assaulted on election day just blocks from the president's home. the second powerful storm battering the northeast, now they are holding up is the wind and snow and their way? so, what happens if i'm in an accident and need to get my car fixed? progressive makes it easy, because we give you choices. you can pick where to get your car fixed we can cut you a check or, at our service center, we take care of everything for you. [ relaxing music playing ] [ chuckles ] -whew, so many choices. -take your time. -the service center. -okay. giving you choices -- now, that's progressive. call or click today. [ female announcer ] he could be your soul mate. but first you've got to get him to say hello. new crest 3d white arctic fresh toothpaste. use it wit

. >> bill: say hello to clarence calling from up in baltimore. hey, clarence. what's going on?er: okay. bill, i believe that the republican women are going to play a real big part in obama winning this election because of everything that the republicans have said they would do to healthcare and things like that. it affects women. and i believe that these women are going to get behind those polls. and vote obama. and just to keep the peace home, they're not going to let their husbands know. [ laughter ] >> bill: all right clarence. by the way i saw one article this morning about about the obama still with a huge lead among women. not so -- it's interesting, of all of the different constituencies, the one that looks like mitt romney has are white males. which i'm mightily ashamed of. what's wrong with us? i don't know. and the people that you registered, do you know the percentage of young women versus young men? >> yeah, we register more women than men. >> bill: i'm not surprised. dumb ass men. [ laughter ] >> then, of course, we know in the last election, young people voted for

but the new lower-class i didn't talk about him and the reason clarence was because i didn't want you to get mad at me. i wanted i want other book that a person like you could read and not against the wall. and since i started to talk about causes, i knew you would. because look, i'm on record, losing ground is a prolonged indictment of the 1960s. which has a lot to answer for. i'm going to stop there and going to go back and talk about it more with numbers, but i want to add a very important point. it doesn't make any difference whether i was right or not. about the original causes. and, frankly, it does make any difference in my view is the jared is right about the role of globalization and the rest of it. we are where we are, and what is happening is a variety of cultural changes that have transcended whatever the original causes were. it's the classic case of, i can describe exactly how the toothpaste got squeezed out of the two. jared thinks he can describe how got squeezed out of the two. it is out of the tube and there is no rewinding that we can do. and if we're going to deal

the last to die, clarence ray allen in 2006. 26 years of appeals reportedly cost taxpayers $761,000. spend so much money on a handful of individuals who are sitting in the cell over at sant quentin who will more likely die in that cell than be executed. they are already caught. they are no longer a public safety threat. >> they argue death penalty savings could be spent fighting crime. prop 34 calls for a fund to solve murders and rapes. important for public safety because statewide 46% of homicides and 56% of reported rapes remain unsolved. by eliminating death row, the analysts said we will save more than $100 million a year. klaas and the team of das against 34 don't buy it. >> this is not about money. this is about the fact that they'll do anything to keep these characters alive. this is about ideology. i know. i have gone to testify for bills up in the legislature that would change this dynamic and start to stream line it and they won't let it out of committee. >> appeals can go on for decades which is why the ex-warden calls the death penalty a fraud. >> because they are not ki

. >> clarence thomas, herman cain, none of it counts.e the republican party doesn't have outreach. we do. but what are we supposed to do now? are we supposed to -- in order to get the hispanic or latino vote, does that mean open borders and embrace the illegals? i want you to think about this. if we're not getting the female vote, do we become pro-choice? do we start passing out birth control pills? to do? >> jonathan, are you a ditto head on those remarks? do you an gree. >> the felt it was a venting and it was really, really unhelpful. using words like anchor babies. that type of language is extremely offensive and i think there's a -- >> that was popular language in the primary. in the republican primary, you saw what i keep bringing up and governor per flames before he couldn't name the agencies to close on immigration. >> yeah. i think that there really needs to be -- we do need to assess the policies but there's also a manner of demeanor in which we're approaching the people. we're talking about a population of immigrants, we are a

clarence mumford is charged with being the ringleader of this scam.sas, mississippi and tennessee ladies and gentlemenedly paid mumford up to 3,000 dollars to send somebody else to take the test in their place. the scheme affected thousands of students being taught by unqualified instructors. >> jenna bush haguer says she is missing texas so she is return to go her roots for her next project. she is joining southern living magazine as editor at large. she will write a monthly column and contribute to a daily blog southern living magazine hoping to attract a younger audience. those are your 5@5:30. >> good for her going home. bet she is happy about that. the white house will release a new report on exactly what will happen. they say if congress fails to extend the middle class tax cuts and how it will effect spending. >> doug luzader joins us with a preview. >> retarryls turned their tanks now to cyber monday hoping to lure in even more shoppers after what was seen as a strong retail weekend there are fears, though, that that positive consumer sentimen

. >> once a year, balloons mark the joy that takes place inside the clarence mitchell courthouse in baltimore. it is national adoption day. to ronald and his wife, it means two 15-year-old boys living in foster care officially become their sons. >> congratulations to both of you. >> thank you for being part of the family. it's just making it come altogether, an we are all a family. >> for me, it makes me feel regular, have a place like everybody else, it just makes me feel good. >> 32 children were adopted in baltimore. and hundreds of other courthouses across the country experienced the same warm scene. >> it's important, because we need to promote the need for permanent families for the more than 100,000 children in foster care across the united states. >> people come and go, but families are what? >> forever. >> >> giving thanks early this holiday season, long overdue for baltimore's newest family. >> i'm blessed to allow us. thank you for allowing us to be in you guys' lives. you know, it's not us being in your life. thank you for opening up to our house, and adjusting to us. thank you. a

. >> clarence thomas, herman cain, none of it counts.'t tell me the republican party doesn't have outreach. we do. but what are we supposed to do now? are we supposed to -- in order to get the hispanic or latino vote, does that mean open the borders and embrace the illegals? is that -- i want you to think about that. if we're not getting the female vote, do we become pro choice? do we start passing out birth control pills? is that what we have to do? >> well, mark, nobody says it better than he did. how do you retort to that as a -- what i think is a more centrist republican, that you are? >> i find it prehistoric, chris. i think economic freedom and, you know, and giving people who make this country great, the immigrants green cards and finding ways to get them into our society, be productive tax-paying citizen rather than this notion of self-deportation and throwing up fences is the wrong way. i don't think that was the original idea of republicanism. and i think the philosophy of republicans should be -- i mean, it's supposed to be to

the last to die clarence ray allen in 2006. 26 years of legal appeals reportedly cost taxpayers $761,000. >> why would we spend so much money on a handful of individuals who are sitting in a cell over at san quintin right now who are more likely going to die in the cell than be executed. they are caught, they are no longer a public safety threat. >> wood ford and others argue that death penalty savings could be spent fighting crime. prop 34 calls for $100 million fund to help solve murders and rapes. important for public safety because statewide 46% of ho homici homicides, and rapes are not resolved. but people against 34 do not buy it. >> this is not about money for these people. this is about the fact that they will do anything to keep these characters alive. this is about ideology, i know, i have gone to testify for bills up in the legislature that would start to streamline it and they will not let it out of committee. >> appeals can go on for decades. which is why the exwarden calls the death penalty a fraud. >> because the

. >> a dogle is a dog whistle, clarence. chuck and jive has a particularly ethnic connecticutoitation. but to throw it at the president is blatant. >> sean: dog whistle, urbarks chicago. he has had people on his program that the liberal says urban, it's okay. if the liberal says shuck and jive, it's okay, only conservatives can't say it. >> when liberals say it's okay, it's because it's okay. i am talking to you from lexus alexandria. i don't know what the heck he is talking b. i am going to give him some words, how about intolerance? how about black-listing? how about big brother? how about censorship? this is what's taking place. the radicals on the left are telling conservatives-- >>> >> you can't talk like a conservative. >> sean: how about this is a political tactic to silence opposition? and to advance a false line narrative that if you are conservative, you are racist. but how that? >> sure. sure. if you oppose -- especially if you oppose a black man like barack obama, have you to be a racist. >> sean: can't be his po

. >> clarence thomas, herman cain, none of it counts.on't tell me the republican party doesn't have outreach. we do. but what are we supposed to do now? are we supposed to -- in order to get the hispanic or latino vote, does that mean open the borders and embrace the illegals? is that -- i want you to think about this. if we're not getting the female vote, do we become pro-choice? do we start passing out birth control pills? is that what we have to do? >> is that what they have to do, matt? >> no. i think our movement is colorblind, and the irony of what we've done is we've repopulated the republican party with men and women, black, brown, white, it doesn't really matter because we judge people on issues. where do you think ted cruz came from? where do you think marco rubio came from? it wasn't the establishment of the party. it was us. we don't judge people based on the color of your skin. i thought that's what we all believed. >> they judge you that way. >> i think they judge you that way because they have a sense looking ronald reagan

. >> reporter: clarence of the center for auto safety says unexpected airbag deployments in the ford focus are nothing new. >> the bottom line is, the 2000- 2001 ford focus clearly had an airbag problem in the early days. >> reporter: in fact, back in 2002, the national highway traffic safety administration launched an investigation into the problem after reports of more than 300 complaints about unexpected airbag deployments. many of them from drivers who were stopped or driving less than 10 miles an hour. but nhtsa closed the investigation stating no fixes were warranted because it determined in more than half of the cases drivers had actually hit something. ditlo says it was the wrong call. >> if there's not a serious crash, the air bag should not deploy. >> reporter: when the mom submitted a claim for damage to the insurance company it was initially denied because there was no accident. >> they are claiming that it's a manufacturing defect. >> reporter: something ford has denied in the past. it's a blame game that they are tired of playing but hope their story makes a difference.

here it is that the supreme court, save one figure, clarence thomas, none have been subjected to theseons. none of them have been subject to the willie nilly imposition of a southern sheriff's, you know, attempt to keep them from voting. but now these -- this court, men and women, will make a decision about the future of voting rights for african-american and other minorities and we need white women to step up to the plate. we need white women to say look, we are in -- >> this is an american ish. >> >> it's an american issue for american people and the disenfranchisement of minority voters is a referendum on american democracy, not we as videos are. >> it's hard to make a case, you look where this is happening, bastions, states that have republican held legislatures, the republican power with the older, southern under educated white workers, how can you say this is not a political ish. >> >> i covered the reauthorization issue, in the house, the vote was basically the 30 were white southern republicans. the house was so polarized bush's popularity dropping, jim sensen brenner old conse

thorough good marshall would have quit law school if he knew he'd inspire clarence thomas, and the constitutionthe united states needs no updating because the founders gave us introductions on gay marriage, internet regulations. that's true. the ononbook of known knowledge is the last book you'll ever neen. to find out why let's bring in editor and author of this new smarts bible. con fwrat lagss to you, sir. excellent book. >> thank you very much. thank you for having me. >> i think sometimes fake facts are actually more valuable than real facts at getting at the deeper truths in life. do you think that's true? clearly as an onion guy, you must think it's true. >> toure loves fake facts. >> you heard it here first. >> anything from "the onion" is more important than any information you'd find anywhere else because it comes from us. if that answers your question, yes, absolutely. anything we say is valuable. >> we at "the cycle"le feel the same way, anything we say is valuable. zoo >> you know, i love "the onion" for the way it skewers the media. in one of the your sfwris you defined "the new y

dear clarence is not high enough to hear that. want to be part of the national debate, but i think it's too early to make that decision. >> government bullies, second book by senator rand paul, everyday americans are being harassed, abused, and imprisoned by the feds. >> visit booktv.org to watch any of the programs you see here online. check the author or book title in the search bar on the upper left side of the page and click search. you can also share anything you see easily by clicking share on the upper left side of the page and selecting the format. book tv streams live on line for 48 hours every weekend. booktv.org. >> you may recognize geared from a former bookkeeper it on probation. he is back at local history with a new book on the potomac river, a history and died. where does the potomac river start and end? >> at the fairfax hunt, near west virginia. a tiny little trickle it comes out of the side of the mountain. it ends at ford look out. pretty wide. and in between their is a huge amount of history. hundreds of histo

if you're traveling north, it can take you up to two hours, as it did for clarence lewis. >> it's horrible. lines long everywhere. ran out of gas once. survived it. got back on the road. then got up early this morning, like 7:00, to get over here to get gas. >> the reason you can't get gas, gas stations can't get power. without power, they can't pump gas. if they have power, they may not have gasoline because they've sold out and can't get their tanks refilled. that's because the storage terminals are without power too. so they can't pump gas to be delivered to stations or receive any new shipments. one solution, trucking in gas from out of state. this is going to be made easier because new jersey governor chris christie signed a waiver allowing this to happen. nevertheless, the crucial element here remains power. if you get power, you can get the gas stations up and running again and the terminals up and running again as well. that's what we're waiting for. guys, back to you. >> it's a crazy situation. kind of a daisy chain waiting to be solved. mary, thank you. let's get some insight on

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. >> host: lincoln wins the election in 1860 and as we all know from reading clarence goodman's wonderful book, team of rivals, he picks his main rival, he picks all of them for his cabinet but the main rival seward gets the most important job as secretary of state. the modal leaders that we were just talking about, jefferson, he was modal because he was like anyone else in issues. everyone would have ran for louisiana. him everyone would have made that choice. lincoln is extreme. what does he do that his peers would not have? >> guest: the lincoln administration is filled with different examples of things that only linking could have done. at the end of the day, lincoln is the genius. he's a genius on multiple levels and multiple fields. the country is lucky if they get something once and we got someone at the moment needed that the bus best way to look at the very first decision that makes this president, because then we don't see this rippling consequences for small differences throughout the administration. for my purposes lincoln's choice of seward as secretary of state is the best p